How do Scottish parents feel about what 4 year olds are being taught

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So the Scottish govt decided that 4 year olds should be taught about gender dysphoria. Does a 4 year old really need to think about this or be taught about it. Is there anyone you know, looking back wishes that they had been taught this at 4? Who really thinks this is a good idea. Has every other generation been disadvantaged by not having this relentlessly pushed upon them as children. Just cannot get my head around it, and cannot imagine any Scottish parents being ok with this. But they clearly are or otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

It’s absolute garbage to assert that there are scores of school aged children running around with gender dysphoria. It seems like the political trans lobby have pushed it until it has become a trend amongst older kids to want to try this ‘trend’. It’s just the Lea test fad. And onto the younger ones. Why should they be left unscathed by this harmful indoctrination

This is frequently asked. Where are all the middle aged transmen. If this was really about increased tolerance etc we'd see equal declarations representative if the current cohort ( majority now being girls ) . But we aren't.

If there was a 4000 percent increase in people getting cancer or developing onset adult allergies or something they're woykd be some kind of investigation. Instead penny mordant promised us ( I'm in England) a review but it never materialised.

Why.

sorry i disagree. Its still much more difficult for a middle age man to come out as trans than young adults and teens. So you cant compare. Young people are growing up in a society where it is more accepted and rightly so.

However i do think amongst teens it has become a trend. Ad every generation of teens had their trend. The reason this is so worrying is that children are being allowed to physically change their bodies.

Further to this, the huge increase is also seeing services being pushed to their limits meaning that those young people who genuinely need the help and support cant access it.

Mrs cat has 2 kittens,1 is female,the other is obviously a male,& through their entire life,neither will want to change, only humans could dream up,for that's what it is,an absolute rubbish dream,such ridiculous thoughts such as wanting to be this or that, despair at its finest.

@mogsrus sorry i completely disagree. To me your comment is insinuating that there is no trans people. There is. And For many of them its a long and difficult journey.

Supposed tolerance has given way to heightened intolerance.

This.

The massive majority of people are/were very chilled about all this.

Boys want to play with dolls, wear dresses, girls want to play football and climb trees, great, gender stereotypes are restrictive nonsense.

But now we're into :

Sex is assigned at birth. Er, no. Sex is in every cell, determined at conception, and no one is confused about this.

Your likes and choices decide your true sex, not your body. Er, no. Because that's sexism on crack.

Male children should be allowed to undress and toilet in female children's facilities if they wish to, regardless of the female children's privacy, dignity and feelings about this. Er no. Because female children are not less human or important than male ones.

Having homosexual feelings is bad and wrong because it excludes people who are not of the sex you are exclusively attracted to but identify as being, and this makes them unhappy. - WTF?

Female children's boundaries must be predicated first on what a male person's choice is and whether their 'no' is upsetting to the male person. If it is, they should set aside their boundaries and 'be kind'. Are you fucking kidding me?

Standard, basic safeguarding exceptions should be made for children who identify as being a different sex to their reality: also in reality this almost always is about a male person being able to access female only facilities because kindness and supporting identity matters more than protecting children. Hell to the no.

The weaponisation of suicide has been debunked repeatedly. In fact, children with anorexia and autism are statistically much higher risk, there are just no expensive, government funded groups informing everyone of this to support a political agenda.

There is a whole lot to question here. Just hoping #bekind will disappear the issues is naive in the extreme at this point.

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Mrs cat has 2 kittens,1 is female,the other is obviously a male,& through their entire life,neither will want to change, only humans could dream up,for that's what it is,an absolute rubbish dream,such ridiculous thoughts such as wanting to be this or that, despair at its finest.

Are you comparing the human brain to a cats? Gender dysphroria is real. We have no idea what the cat is thinking, mostly they want to chase mice. Adult humans have far more complexity than that. The real problem is that 4 year olds do not have that same kind of complexity, and to assume they will understand what we’re explaining to them when they don’t know their ABC’s is a bit preposterous.

Gender dysphroria is real.

Although not a requirement to transition.

Why are most posters only talking about male to female trans. What about young female teens wanting to be boys. Surely the issues are the same. Should a female be able to access male changing areas.

What we need is good educated school staff who can identify gender dysphoria and put the support in place. While allowing all the children the freedom to explore gender, sexuality etc etc without pressure or assumption while we educate them along the way.

Ideally we would live in a world without gender where everyone regardless of sex can live the life they choose without discrimination. We are a long way from that sadly.

And i dont believe for a second there are that many young people claiming to be trans just so they can access the opposites sexes private space. And that seems to always be the argument we come back too.

I feel confused by the whole thing too because I’m nearly 60 and just trying to get my head round it all and understand.
My 1 year old grandchild will grow up not batting an eyelid at diversity, which is the way it ought to be.

#bekind is just #keepquiet.

This policy is full of holes, but people who would discuss the technical details of Scottish Independence or Brexit at length have been persuaded that women’s rights and child protection are taboo subjects if they brush up against gender identity ideology.

Unsurprisingly, females are not so keen to use male spaces.

@BridgetJonesPanties That's horrific. The scary thing is that these ideas seem to be filtering down to younger and younger children. So much damage is being done.

@WouldBeGood i agree but males especially teens and children have the same rights regarding wether individuals of the opposite sex can access there private space. Many teen boys have the same worries and concerns regarding their bodies as females and would not want a female using their bathrooms etc.

Its all about finding a balance so that everyones rights are met, and that the young people who need the support get it, in a safe and supportive environment.

My 1 year old grandchild will grow up not batting an eyelid at diversity, which is the way it ought to be.

Depends what you mean by diversity.

Here it means ‘we cannot accept that men and women are diverse. They must be categorised according to gendered expectations of how a man or woman should behave’.

Of course people who suffer from gender dysphoria exist. However this policy is ideological and is based on the premise that sex is incorrectly ‘assigned’ if a child does not conform to gendered expectations.

It is the opposite of tolerance and acceptance of diversity.

Why are most posters only talking about male to female trans. What about young female teens wanting to be boys. Surely the issues are the same. Should a female be able to access male changing areas

On the contrary we are very concerned about the current situation because of the harm to girls. GD used to affect mainly boys. And no ones looking into why it's shifted so much. Why are we now seeing so many girls.

Now in England at least the use of hormone injections under 16 has been halted. That keeps the boys safe from permanent harm at a young age. Fir now. BuT girls are still accessing binders which are dangerous and can cause permanent damage. That absolutely should not be being supported. By anyone. Anywhere.

Kids are probably underbthe illusion school will keep them safe. That if they go along with a name change or try to make their friends happy that the adults will place the boundary before it goes any further and take the heat off the kids.
They aren't.

Why aren't trans kids entitled to the same level of safeguarding as the other children.

complete utter nonsense. been on this planet along time,no one ever thought about it or talked about it when at school or later in life it's absolutely tosh

@Whatwouldscullydo i do agree that the increase in girls is worrying and in my other posts i did say the whole thing was a concerning trend. All i meant was that when we discuss spaces we always talk about males entering female spaces but my argument is that males especially teens deserve their spaces to be kept saFe and male only too. As at that age everyone deserves their privacy..

I absolutely agree that binding is out of control and very dangerous bit again the argument can then be made that we need to educate young people about it but that again may lead to more young people trying as its part of the trend. It really is a viscous circle.

@Soberanne absolutely

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld i think your comment to @MrsSkylerWhite is a bit unfair. She just saying that she trying to get her around something she doesnt fully understnd, we arent we all which is why we have these discussions. Secondly no idea what your comment about her grandchild means.

[quote Soberanne]**@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld* i think your comment to @MrsSkylerWhite* is a bit unfair. She just saying that she trying to get her around something she doesnt fully understnd, we arent we all which is why we have these discussions. Secondly no idea what your comment about her grandchild means.[/quote]

Im rather shocked by it too 😳

Every day that passes is another nail in the coffin for me returning to Scotland.

I always wanted too and it was always where I wanted to bring my children up.

It may be the pull of family gets too strong, but the deteriorating education system, and now this. Well as a mother, and especially as a mother of a girl, I don't Soctland is the best place for them.

I genuinely don't believe it's really understood up there what is going on. The hold of the SNP is too strong and they rarely get challenged. Its heartbreaking what is going on. I benefited from being born & bred

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I absolutely do think that boys deserve their privacy and dignity.

Girls have that extra layer which is their safety too. Statistically there's a rape a day in schools and we should be trying to prevent them as opposed to making it even easier.

But either way it's just wrong. And the last thing that children need whilst going through puberty which sucks for everyone , akd the only comforting thought is that at least you are all going through it together.

But throw mixed sex spaces in there and you will take the embarrassment turn the dial up to 11. Probably producing even more dysphoric or distressed teens.

I don't know why we are doing this to out children.