How do Scottish parents feel about what 4 year olds are being taught

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So the Scottish govt decided that 4 year olds should be taught about gender dysphoria. Does a 4 year old really need to think about this or be taught about it. Is there anyone you know, looking back wishes that they had been taught this at 4? Who really thinks this is a good idea. Has every other generation been disadvantaged by not having this relentlessly pushed upon them as children. Just cannot get my head around it, and cannot imagine any Scottish parents being ok with this. But they clearly are or otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

If a 4 year old feels dysphoria there is something very wrong in their environment, it is a symptom of something underlying just like anorexia is
Let children be children
We are creating children with dysphoria by pushing stereotypes onto them and telling them they may be the wrong sex

Telling young kids that transgender people exist I’m fine with. The younger the better as it helps normalise transgenderisim and helps later acceptance. But I am totally against offering hormone suppressants to confused teenagers when they do long term, irreversible damage. This is awful, as the Keira Bell case highlights.

If someone of the age of 25 (when you are widely thought to have fully matured) and wants to change gender, I’m great with that, and I really feel for them that they must have struggled with such momentous thoughts for such a long time, but I am wholly against offering any irreversible procedures to those too young to comprehend the seriousness of what they are taking on.

No, that is a screenshot of the document produced two days ago, which I have read in my capacity as a primary teacher in Scotland... mountains/molehills.

I am Scottish also had a female only cancer that only biological females can have , I have a daughter this makes me mad you cannot change biological sex

Read the guidelines document published yesterday. You will find different. It’s not misreported at all. It’s under reported.

Very little has changed from the previous guidelines. The reason the tabloids are using “children as young as FOUR…..” is simply because the guidance is for schools and some children start school at 4 and a half (but most are over 5 before they start) I agree with PP that this is intentionally misreported in order to whip up a storm and encourage the kinds of posts you have made.

It is also the case that the more detailed guidance gives different advice on how to deal with this differently at the different ages and stages of school.

Yanbu
But sadly not surprising from the snp who have totally lost the plot

@GreatAuntEmily

We didn’t all vote for this shower of shites.

It’s embarrassing how woke they are when the country’s a fucking disaster.

Children haven't got a bloody clue about gender dysphoria, all they notice is adults and others concerned that they're behaving outside of the prescribed stereotypes for their sex. Queue panic and reactionary transing. No one is born in the wrong body.

Or indeed 'cue' panic

I'm currently reading the guidance.

Trans is used "as an umbrella term for those whose gender identity differs in some way from the sex assigned at birth"

Sex is not assigned at birth; that implies that doctors look at a new born baby and decide what sex to give it. Babies are born male or female; their sex does not need to be assigned to them by another person.

Language is important.

But I am totally against offering hormone suppressants to confused teenagers when they do long term, irreversible damage

Can I just point out that hormone suppressants are used in other medical situations for specific reasons and that they do not do long term damage when used in a controlled way, under supervision, and at appropriate doses.

A medical situation is very different from a child wishing they were born as the opposite sex.

I would remove my child from lessons around this topic.
They know people can love each other regardless of sex, they know age, skin colour, sex makes no difference to a person's value, BUT confusing small children about their own gender is not on.

I wanted to be a cat when I was 4.
By 7 I was playing football with boys and my best friend was a boy. I hated dolls and dresses but I've grown up to be very happy as a female. I think if I'd known I could change gender at that age I'd have looked at my friends, looked at the girls and decided I was obviously not a girl.

There will be a tiny minority of kids who suffer from gender dysphoria and they should be supported and clinically diagnosed. However I'm massively against confusing children who could be swept along on a whim by something like this.

The SNP cult seem to be hell bent on destroying not only women's rights but corrupting children too. I'm finding it terrifying and wonder what they are going to do next.

Scottish parents won't stand for this shite though.

A medical situation is very different from a child wishing they were born as the opposite sex

Well yes but my point is that they are not harmful when used correctly. I have a child on these medications and the stigma attached to it is mind-boggling, they are on it for medical reasons but I've still had people query whether they should be, people make assumptions about why they're on it, and people imply that I'm damaging my child with them (and I don't mean randoms, I mean people who should know better like the SENCo).

But surely you are using them to correct a medical condition?

It's like a diabetic using insulin correctly is not damaging. But someone without diabetes using insulin would be causing potentially catastrophic damage to their body.

"A transgender young person should not be made to use the toilet or changing room of their sex assigned at birth".
That bloody use of "assigned at birth" again. Otherwise, I don't have a problem with this. It seems reasonable to offer private facilities to a teen who thinks they're trans ad is worried about bullying.

"Recognise that some transgender young people may not be comfortable using a single sex toilet or changing room that matches their gender identity in which case providing a gender-neutral space or accessible toilet can be the best alternative."

Absolutely no guidance about how teenage girls might feel if asked to share single sex toilets or single sex changing rooms with a teenage boy who identifies as a transgirl. Nothing about respecting their feelings.

As usual, the feelings of boys are prioritised over those of girls.

@BoredZelda

Read the guidelines document published yesterday. You will find different. It’s not misreported at all. It’s under reported.

Very little has changed from the previous guidelines. The reason the tabloids are using “children as young as FOUR…..” is simply because the guidance is for schools and some children start school at 4 and a half (but most are over 5 before they start) I agree with PP that this is intentionally misreported in order to whip up a storm and encourage the kinds of posts you have made.

It is also the case that the more detailed guidance gives different advice on how to deal with this differently at the different ages and stages of school.

In that case it makes it more concerning, not less, that that the guidance was already so batshit crazy. This is not some progressive, enlightened attempt to deal with a problem. The problem is being deliberately created. Like deliberately breaking a leg and then medicating the patient to deal with the pain to show how compassionate you are.

Of course it's ridiculous. Of course a far more sensible approach would be telling boys and girls that they can be anything they want to be and it's perfectly OK for a boy to dress up as a mermaid or a girl to play football.

This. And I am in Scotland. Can only hope that teachers at the coal face will continue to use their common sense.

Cariadlet those girls would need re-educating I assume. The Scottish education minister is full-on TWAW so there is no hope really.

I’m Scottish and I’m not comfortable with this.
But then this is the same SNP that allowed a drag queen called Flow Job in to read to that age group in a Glasgow school.

When my niece was four she wanted to be a fox and insisted on being called a boys name. Fifteen years later, that’s a thing we laugh at.
It’s scary to think think if she was at school now, how that would he handled.

Kids at four years old shouldn’t be worrying about changing their gender.

So what is the new guidance for then? If hardly changed from the old? Haven't read it yet.

@Namechangednotanewuser

It is utterly utterly utterly bizarre. How, seriously how does a 4 year old change their gender. They can barely write their own name or wash themselves properly. How? This is like an alternate reality where or a Truman show style staged scenario where the tv presenter is going to jump out and go aha, got you! What is going on and how is the craziness of this not being seen.

This is exactly how I feel or a really strange dream you wake up from and go what was that?! Except it's not a dream this is happening and the kids just keep getting younger.

It's ridiculous and totally unnecessary, thank god I don't live in Scotland.

The world has gone mad.