How do Scottish parents feel about what 4 year olds are being taught

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So the Scottish govt decided that 4 year olds should be taught about gender dysphoria. Does a 4 year old really need to think about this or be taught about it. Is there anyone you know, looking back wishes that they had been taught this at 4? Who really thinks this is a good idea. Has every other generation been disadvantaged by not having this relentlessly pushed upon them as children. Just cannot get my head around it, and cannot imagine any Scottish parents being ok with this. But they clearly are or otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

My GF died when I was 4. Mum told me that he had gone to heaven and was spending his time sitting in a deckchair under a lovely tree, with the dog.

When my GM pulled out some old letters that he had written to her from WW2 (I miss you, my pals are here with me, etc), I genuinely thought he’d listed them from heaven (lucky they have lost boxes there eh?).

Now I was a very bright kid - high iq, at the top of the class, a year younger than my classmates but doing work the year above. I remember my classmates being unable to tie their shoe laces and believing that they had been on a trip to Disneyland for the weekend...

Maybe they should have started me on my training for the cloth? Or spiritualism? At 4 I wanted to be a witch. At 4 DS wanted to be a policemen with a dog - or a dog. At this age my friend thought he could fly and broke his leg jumping off the wardrobe. At that age my sister have herself a boy name and had imaginary friends. She also planted sweet wrappers before abuse sh thought they would grow into a toffee tree.

And people (so they have kids? Have they met a 4 year old?) think that a 4 year old is a rational, thinking being? On what planet???

And people (so they have kids? Have they met a 4 year old?) think that a 4 year old is a rational, thinking being? On what planet???

Unfortunately they're not thinking. They're in thrall to an ideology that requires trans kids exist to a) validate the feelings of a particular co-hort of middle age men and b) keep the funding flowing for certain charitable organisations.

Cross posting from Sex & Gender:

The Times: Transgender guidance for schools ‘based on flawed data’

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Lucy Hunter-Blackburn is blistering in her quotes:

“ You have got this incredibly unsound base for presenting something as being a fact that applies to the whole population. It is technically incompetent and completely irresponsible to use that kind of data to draw conclusions about what would be true for an entire population.”
“All of that put together means this is not a sound basis for promulgating such an alarming statistic. They should withdraw the document and take out this graphic . . . This is too important to get wrong. These children matter and they, and their parents, desperately need good advice.”

The graphics in the guidance come from this report:

transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

Which comes from a subset of this study:

www.cjcmh.com/doi/pdf/10.7870/cjcmh-2011-0021

You can see the full survey (all 87 pages of it!) here: transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Trans-PULSE-survey-information-only-copy-2012.pdf

And for an additional piece, this presentation seems to show different numbers for the % of young people with supportive parents who attempted suicide in the past year:

transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Trans-Health-Advocacy-Summit-2012-Results-vFINAL.pdf

It’s not fit for purpose. ScotGov have lifted it from the old LGBTYS guidance and don’t appear to have done any doublechecking.

And the ScotGov quote in the article!

“ A Scottish government spokesman said: “The infographic contained within the guidance is intended to be illustrative of the concerns which transgender young people may face. The infographic clearly contains the reference to the study as the source, and therefore is appropriate.”

Giving the reference to the source makes it appropriate?!??!?!? You mean you can stick any old survey into guidance and just by referencing the source you are fine?

You couldn’t make it up.

Maybe have a watch of this to bring some of it to life…
bbc.in/2XfooVT

@merrymouse got it in 1.
It's part of their grievance politics too, disagree with them and your talking Scotland down, holding Scotland back etc.
They have to be seen to do things different.

As a Scottish parent of 2 daughters this infiltration of policy making by the wierdo contingent is very worrying.
I've no issue with genuine transgender people - I believe there are genuinely people in the wrong bodies, but they are fewer and further between that the activists would have us believe.
The age old method of listening to kids, not pigeonholing them at an early age, letting them experiment and investigate and supporting those that need it worked well.
My sister went through an "I'm a boy phase" when a child, thankfully this crap wasn't being pushed or else she may well have been steered down a dangerous path the irreversible damage. She's now a normal middle-aged mother.

Anything to do with the SNP or their gardening division, the Scottish greens (the only green party in the world the doesn't have the environment at the top of their agenda) is scary.

No one is on the ‘wrong’ body - you just get what you get really.

Otherwise why was my grandmother born deaf? Why was mum riddled with arthritis? Why was my grandfather born with a dodgy heart? Why was I ‘made’ with some bones that weren’t formed properly? Why are some children born with their lifespan estimates in hours, days or months, rather than years and decades? The kid in the class with spina bifida or the one with a huge port wine birthmark on their face?

You may well not like what you have - it may not work properly or you just don’t like they way it looks. It’s not a ‘wrong one’ unless you believe in souls getting slipped into bodily forms by angelic beings, and there is the potential for a mix up on the dispatch dept...

You may well not like what you have - it may not work properly or you just don’t like they way it looks. It’s not a ‘wrong one’ unless you believe in souls getting slipped into bodily forms by angelic beings, and there is the potential for a mix up on the dispatch dept..

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Anything to do with the SNP or their gardening division,

I love this description of the Scottish Greens - to say they’ve lost their way is an understatement.

It's not just Scotland though, Wales also has trans school issues.
I wonder what the charity was that supplied the advocate? 2 guesses really seeing as they were very pro progressing transition than obtaining appropriate medical/mh support

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9916567/Parents-slam-school-calling-son-female-told-trans.html?ito=social-facebook