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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want a night off?

113 replies

theUrbanDryad · 27/11/2007 14:54

As some of you who are on the Xmas do thread might know, dh and i are currently in "negotiations" over when i come back from the MN Xmas do. the plan originally was that i was going to drive down to a MNer's house, get ready there, go from there to London, then stay over there and drive back to IL's (where dh and ds would be staying) in the morning. that plan went awry because the MNer couldn't go in the end.

anyway, then i said i'd just get the train back the same night, but i realised that i'd have to leave the party at half 10 which would be rather pointless.

then a lovely MNer offered me either a place to crash overnight, or a lift back to her house so i could drive back to the IL's the same evening. i would rather stay over because if i drive back that evening then i can't have a drink.

i don't think it's unreasonable to have one night off. dh can settle ds now, ds takes a bottle, and he'll be with his grandparents, who utterly adore him. i should add, by the way, that dh has spent quite a few nights away since ds was born (admittedly for work, but still) and i'm exepcted to just cope with that, while he has ds for 1 night and it's the end of the farkin world.

so, AIBU??

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lou33 · 27/11/2007 15:45

tell him you dont know when you are back, that way you cant be late

stepfordwife · 27/11/2007 15:45

YANBU
go
enjoy
do it again

fireflyfairy2 · 27/11/2007 15:47

I'm so jealous if it's flame's house you're staying at

In fact.. I insist you go & stay over.. have breakfast the next day & a good natter... flame deserves good night out & so do you....

DH IBU!!

theUrbanDryad · 27/11/2007 15:48

fff2, no tis not Flamey - but i'm sure we'll have a good old natter at the do, won't we Flame?!

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Dixichik · 27/11/2007 15:48

Don't let your man nag you to death about it. One little trick he may try is to nag you so much and make you feel so bad about going that you eventually don't bother to go!

spokette · 27/11/2007 15:57

YANBU.

I went our 3 nights in a row last week. On the third evening, DH commented that that was the third time in row that he had had to bathe and put DTS (3yo) to bed by himself. I told him that I do it all the time and don't make a big deal out of it. That ended that conversation.

Flamesparrow · 27/11/2007 16:01

lmao - that'd be a bit of a trek FFF2

I am going though, night away n all

MisterUrbanDryad · 27/11/2007 16:02

Right. Okay. I'm being unreasonable. Fine. Put this way, of course it seems like I am.

(This is the DH in question, finally persuaded to get his own Mumsnet account, by the way.)

Some context is needed here, to get a better picture, I think, before everyone thinks I'm some kind of monster. Apologies for bringing our domestic to your boards, but well... SHE STARTED IT!

Anyway, some context. The lady you all know as The Urban Dryad is a great mum to our Zack. A brilliant one. He's never touched formula and I believe is all the better for this. He also sleeps in our bed most nights, and when he wakes up he can be settled quickly and easily by nursing.

As far as it goes, this is all great and exclusive breastfeeding, and attached parenting are choices UD made that I completely support.

However - the kind of occasion we're talking about here brings the downside.

UD will probably have a go at me again for bringing this up. but it's context which I'm basing my feelings on, which are very relevant to whether IABU or not.

She's been out several evenings in the past few months, and I've looked after him. That's cool. I want her to be able to go out and have a break and some fun.

However, I also like to have some idea when she'll be back and also that she's got a way of getting home safely. Is that unreasonable? That's a matter of opinion, I suppose, but when Zack has woken up and is crying his little eyes out, and I'm trying to warm him a bottle of milk and calling UD to ask when she'll be back and she tells me 'I'm leaving now', I think fine... that's okay. I reassure Zack and cuddle him and try and get him to settle.

...an hour and a bit later, and UD isn't home, I think is is reasonable to get worried.

Of course, there's a reasonable explanation - it's that everyone needed lifts home and 'I'm leaving now' means 'I'm leaving now, but driving all over town taking everyone home first', when I've got a little one who is used to being comforted at night by breastfeeding, who is getting more and more hoarse with crying and looks like he hates me because I'm not his mum.

Okay, on its own, that could be a one off that's not so bad, and next time it'll be fine. Yeah? Not unreasonable to think so.

So, next time...

Next time, I do actually get Zack to sleep with an expressed bottle. He spends half an hour or so crying in my arms, but yes, I do get him to sleep again the first time. It's going to be okay... until 'I'll be back around half eleven' fades into the past and when she eventually does get back in, she's in quite a bad state and I've got the joyous task of holding her hair out of the way of a sick bowl for her whilst she's trying to breastfeed Zack. He's awake and screaming and UD is projectile vomiting and I'm looking after them both until the early hours.

One bitten, twice shy, at this point.

However, the next next time, I think, okay, it'll be fine. It's got to be okay, this time surely.

But again, Zack does his eleven o'clock wake up. I'm no good at all, but I try to hold off calling. Half an hour later, I text just to check she's okay. Zack's awake and crying, and I'm trying to be the one to earn some trust by both staying cool and looking after him and not calling UD.

But yeah, Zack's sobbing away, I'm no good and it's another hour and a half before she gets back.

"I ran into an old friend and got chatting" is what I have to accept.

I was actually really gutted by this, because I was really strongly hoping that everything was going to be okay, and we'd both be able to build up some mutual trust. Her by sticking to her promises, me by staying chilled out.

I'm not some control freak. I do want her to be able to have a life.

It's just that I care for and love our little Zacky so much that I hate not being good enough for him and when I'm saying to him 'It's okay, your mum will be back in a bit', and I think she's going to be, but she's just not, we both get quite upset.

So, yeah, I want UD to be able to go to this party. I want her to be able to go out whenever she wants.

But AIBU to be upset when she tells me how things are going to go, and then it turns out completely differently, not just once, but every single time she's gone out?

AIBU to ask for some reassurances?

AIBU to be concerned for our baby, and be wondering whether I should put him down for a few minutes to boil a kettle to warm a bottle, when he's crying, but decide to keep holding and singing to him because I think UD will be back in a few minutes - but then she isn't?

AIBU to have desperately wished that last time she went out, I would be able to trust her to keep to her word, but feel really crushed when she didn't?

This isn't about me being controlling. Or old-fashioned. It's because I care so much for our little boy and want to know where I stand when I'm looking after him. It's not because I can't cope.

I just don't want to be told one thing, and then have that change, and change and change and be told that I'm the unreasonable one for having a problem with that.

So, this Mumsnet evening. Yeah. Of course I'd like UD to go. But I'd also like to know she's going to be safe, and at what point I should start being concerned if she isn't where she says she's going to be.

So - who is BU?

Flamesparrow · 27/11/2007 16:13

Erm....

Um....

Erm....

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo - what is needed is a definate home by time, plus preferably driving so no hair holding incidents?

And from then on being more reliable

spokette · 27/11/2007 16:16

MrUD

When put like that, YANBU.

Flamesparrow · 27/11/2007 16:17

anyone else wanting the other side of all the AIBU threads now??

lou33 · 27/11/2007 16:19

i'd say if she gets like that, let her look after herself and you look after zack, i still dont think it's unreasonable for her to have a night off

agalch · 27/11/2007 16:21

Think you should tell UD to stay at her Mn friends house and you know then where you are and where you stand. Means you don't have to worry about her and you can get on with the job of looking after Zack.

Easy enough.

2Happy · 27/11/2007 16:23

Ok, so maybe her previous "I'll be home at x o'clock" and not being, was still a reflection of her not wanting to be tied down to a time.
And maybe that's partly because she doesn't want to let you down by not being there by that time?
And maybe a lot of your anxiety is because of the difficulty in settling Z, because he likes being bfed overnight (and good on you for being so supportive of UD and her bfeeding BTW), maybe a part of you trying to pin her down on a time is in a small way a reflection of your preferring her not to stay out all night because you're worried about Z being unhappy.
And maybe a lot of UD wanting to go out and stay out is a reflection on how knackered she is from over 10m of bfeeding and all those night feeds. And I know you know that it's hard work, and I know you're proud of her, and I know you don't want to stop her going out, but maybe for UD, having your night out defined by when you'll be home to feed the baby kind of affects the way you feel about the night out.
Y'know, maybe amateur psychology isn't my strong point... Debates over whether to press post or not...retypes...deletes...retypes...presses post

harleyd · 27/11/2007 16:23

well, all i can say is, nights out rarely go according to plan
i plan to be home at reasonable hours when i go out, it mostly doesnt happen
my dh knows i am out and will be out until i come home and he copes
same goes for when he goes out
there is no ringing to see when the other will be home/leaving
there shouldnt have to be promises of being home by whatever time

2Happy · 27/11/2007 16:23

shits self she may have said stupid things...

2Happy · 27/11/2007 16:23

begs apologies

2Happy · 27/11/2007 16:24

Welcomes MrUD to MN, BTW

2Happy · 27/11/2007 16:24

Stops posting...!

Flamesparrow · 27/11/2007 16:25

made perfect sense to me 2h

SoupDragon · 27/11/2007 16:25

"She's been out several evenings in the past few months"

Gosh, not several evenings

Sorry, MrUD, you're still BU IMO.

harleyd · 27/11/2007 16:26
Flamesparrow · 27/11/2007 16:27

I read that as "past few weeks" - I am back firmly in the not such a big deal camp now

theUrbanDryad · 27/11/2007 16:28

dude, as you said when i walked in just now, that is a masterpiece of emotional manipulation...

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fireflyfairy2 · 27/11/2007 16:29

If she says lunchtime the next day.. and you it's lunchtime the next day.. is that OK?

Oh btw.. after hearing your side,I don't think either of you are being unreasonable as such.... just have different opinions.

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