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Please give it to me straight - am I a bad parent?

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NCJuly2021 · 19/07/2021 23:44

Posting on AIBU for traffic and also because there is a question of whether I’m reasonable or not.

I’m a FTM, to a nearly 4 month old. I do the majority of childcare. I exclusively breastfeed so since birth I have done all night feeds and wake ups. DS wakes between 3 and 5 times every night (plan to sleep train when he’s a little older). When DS was a newborn, DH helped for a couple of weeks with the night time nappy changes but then we slept in a different room because I realised I needed the TV on to get me through the night feeds (ie to stop me falling asleep whilst DS is on the breast). After a couple of weeks we came back to the bedroom and since then it’s just me who does all the night work.

It’s also just me who looks after baby Mondays to Fridays. DH will watch for 10 minutes every now and then in the mornings so I can shower, but that’s maybe once every couple of weeks. He also will watch him for 10 minutes in the evening so I can eat my dinner and then DS is back to me. DH has a very demanding job and he’s wfh but works very long hours.

On weekends, DH is very hands on with DS. I lie in on both days (DH is a natural early riser), he takes DS for walks so I can have some me time and we share looking after DS.

Re housework, we have a cleaner for cleaning, I do 80% of the laundry, and cooking is generally 60 / 40 to me.

When DS was small, he would usually go down for the night at 1am. We’ve now brought that forward to around 9.30 to 10pm and that’s where I’m happy with. Means we don’t wake up too early the next day, and DS isn’t alone for too long in the bedroom before I come to bed.

DH, however, is of the opinion that DS should be going to bed at 7-8pm, simply because that’s what babies do. My issue with that is purely selfish - I don’t want to wake up at 6am in the mornings and I don’t want to go to bed at 9pm either.

The issue is there have been 3 times I’ve been out late with DS and I end up like feeling the worst parent ever.

Once, I was at a friend’s house and left at 10.30pm.

The second I was at my parent’s house and left late, which meant I travelled on the train at 9pm.

The third was tonight, when I met a friend for dinner at 7pm and got home at 10pm.

Apart from those 3 times, I’m home with DS late evenings and the other very few times I have met friends, they come round to our home or we’ve met for lunch in the day.

So each time, DH has complained about DS being out late and I feel like an absolutely terrible parent. Honestly, I feel like shit. I need that time with friends to feel like myself but after DH comments about the time, I end up feeling like I’m neglecting my child. The way I see it, DS is still small and will fall sleep anywhere, but when he’s a few months older, he will need more of a routine and rigidity in his bed time but for now, it’s not the end of the world if his bedtime is 9.30 or he’s out and not in bed until 10.30pm.

Is that a normal way of approaching things or am I actually just a really bad and selfish parent? What is normal for a 4 month old?

Thank you for reading if you got this far.

OP posts:
Cloudfrost · 20/07/2021 16:53

I think your husband is right actually and you should already have started a routine. A flexible one, but you should have one for sure. Babies don't magically wake up one day ready to get introduced to a routine. The longer you wait the more of a struggle it will be to adjust to a routine both for you and the baby. Babies and young children absolutely need routines,it helps them develop and prosper.

No routine or overly rigid routines are both a bad idea.

Cloudfrost · 20/07/2021 16:54

And having lived in a warm country, its absolu

Cloudfrost · 20/07/2021 16:58

It's absolutely different in terms of kids going to bed at around 10pm. When it's too hot to go to the playground until sundown, due to the equipment being molten lava is natural kids will be up later. Playgrounds in hot countries will actually have decent lights so kids can easily be out there till very later. However, kids there also have quiet time/naps during siesta time, the hottest hours of the day.

With the hot weather right now, it's not unreasonable to keep baby up till a bit later though

pleasedonttextmyman · 20/07/2021 17:09

We’ve now brought that forward to around 9.30 to 10pm and that’s where I’m happy with. Means we don’t wake up too early the next day,

exactly what I did with my first 2!
Sadly I had to abandon that wonderful routine with number 3, as 1 and 2 needed to go to school and it didn't work anymore.

They need ENOUGH sleep. Being a martyr putting kids to bed at 6pm and being a zombie woken up at 5am for the next 5 years is beyond ridiculous if you ask me.

pleasedonttextmyman · 20/07/2021 17:11

No routine or overly rigid routines are both a bad idea.

true, but 4 months old are portable and sleep anywhere. If there's one time to take them to a restaurant, have diner with friends or family while they sleep in their carry cot, it's the one.

You can still have a routine with feeding etc.

reluctantbrit · 20/07/2021 17:30

@pleasedonttextmyman

No routine or overly rigid routines are both a bad idea.

true, but 4 months old are portable and sleep anywhere. If there's one time to take them to a restaurant, have diner with friends or family while they sleep in their carry cot, it's the one.

You can still have a routine with feeding etc.

You never met my baby. Sleeping in a carry cot was a no-go.

Don't generalise every baby with the easy portable one.

niceandsimple · 20/07/2021 17:37

about joint strategies, I think it depends what the strategy is for. What the routine is like is for the main caregiver - in this case you - to decide.
For matters such as how to deal with behavioural issues, or what morals and beliefs you want to instil in the child as they grow up, that needs to be discussed. you need to set aside time that is for that discussion, and you both should come prepared - with both what you want to say and to listen to what your DH wants to say. This will hopefully produce a strategy that you both can work with. (easier said than done, I know!)

pleasedonttextmyman · 20/07/2021 17:41

reluctantbrit

My point was not to generalise, but to tell the OP that she is not doing anything wrong.

A set routine for a school aged child is one thing. A more relax attitude with a baby another entirely.

Plenty of 4 months old refuse any routine and to sleep in their own cot anyway! By the time they are in primary school, most children manage to fall asleep, and mainly stay, in their own bed.

LakeShoreD · 20/07/2021 18:05

IMO you don’t do joint strategies if you’re not jointly parenting. Not about mundane stuff like routines anyway. If your DH simply isn’t around to help during the week and that can’t be changed then it’s not reasonable for him to involved in scheduling baby’s sleeping/eating since you’re the one doing all the work. The very purpose of a routine is to meet baby’s needs in a way that makes life easier for the main caregiver(s) and that doesn’t apply to him. If he changes his job and is now around to do 50% then he gets an equal say.

Hallyup6 · 20/07/2021 18:12

My children don't have a bedtime until they're 3 and in nursery. At that age they can understand that they need to stay in bed. Prior to that, I put them in bed when they fall asleep. Could be 10pm, 11pm, sometimes later. I can't be bothered to take a child back to bed fifty times or listen to them scream.

superram · 20/07/2021 18:14

One of my regrets about my pfb is that I didn’t take them to the pub more often and did do early bedtimes. I didn’t do it with my second but then couldn’t go out anyway….

Pissinthepottyplease · 20/07/2021 18:17

You sound fine OP. Small breast babies often feed throughout the evening to fill up so they can get through the night. Have you learnt to bf laying down and do you know how to safely cosleep?

DD1 has never gone to bed at 7 in her life. She is 5 now and sleeps through from 8 until 7 in her own bed. DD2 (just 2) goes to bed sleep about 7ish and sleeps to 7 but this is only since dropping her nap. Before that she was up until 9/10 at night.

Doesn’t sound like your DH is doing much at home.

hartwood · 20/07/2021 20:11

Are you sure it's not that he wants to spend some time together as a couple rather than caring what time the baby goes to bed? What's he doing in the evenings once he's finished work?

If he's quite happy doing his own thing and his issue is purely with bedtime then I'd carry on as you are. As long as baby is getting enough sleep then it's fine.

The only reason I put mine to bed at 7 was so I could have the evening to relax and spend time with DP.

Piglet89 · 20/07/2021 22:40

That is fine - but it is a bit annoying that those of us with babies with earlier bed times have been labelled as repressed brits wanting to keep our babies separate.

Agree with this entirely. I fucking HATE the obsession with labelling the British as uptight for planning to have their children in bed by a certain time.

My friend never put her young baby to bed at a reasonable hour so he was handed around at 10pm at dinner parties wide awake. This was before I had a kid and it was, frankly, bloody irritating when I wanted to enjoy some adult time - to which adults are PERFECTLY entitled.

Brown76 · 20/07/2021 23:00

I think your DH should stop trying to treat you and your child as if you are theoretical people in a textbook, and look his actual child and wife and adapt his ‘beliefs’ to what actually works for them. OR he can take over with the bedtimes. Ask him what the plan is, and agree to do it his way for a week. But he has to do it (as he’s such an expert).

SlothinSpirit · 20/07/2021 23:51

I think your DH should stop trying to treat you and your child as if you are theoretical people in a textbook

I agree. He should also stop trying to treat the OP as if she is his employee/subordinate working on a project which he is leading (their child).

Bridezillamaybe · 21/07/2021 00:05

@Piglet89

That is fine - but it is a bit annoying that those of us with babies with earlier bed times have been labelled as repressed brits wanting to keep our babies separate.

Agree with this entirely. I fucking HATE the obsession with labelling the British as uptight for planning to have their children in bed by a certain time.

My friend never put her young baby to bed at a reasonable hour so he was handed around at 10pm at dinner parties wide awake. This was before I had a kid and it was, frankly, bloody irritating when I wanted to enjoy some adult time - to which adults are PERFECTLY entitled.

So you think she should have adapted her parenting approach so you a childless friend could have some adult time? Are you British?
AlexaShutUp · 21/07/2021 00:10

So you think she should have adapted her parenting approach so you a childless friend could have some adult time? Are you British?

It's the old Victorian notion that children should be seen but not heard. Just in a different format. I've never met people from other countries that share the peculiar British obsession with "adult time".

summersflowers · 21/07/2021 02:14

It isn’t really about children being seen and not heard. It’s simply an acknowledgement that some things are difficult to do with toddlers rampaging around. I don’t think it’s the sign of an irreversibly repressed Brit to want to have a couple of hours chill time without small children clambering over you in the evening.

Sorry OP - have taken the thread off course somewhat.

summersflowers · 21/07/2021 02:16

And it is absolute nonsense to somehow claim Greek or Croatian or Spanish children are charging around until eleven o clock at night while the adults around them look on fondly. The day may have a different structure but that’s largely the point: children fit into the culture of the adults, not vice versa.

jasminoide · 21/07/2021 04:12

YANBU OP, enjoy it while you can. In the UK we have an obsession with babies going to bed early and getting them out of the way. As a pp pointed out, as long as your baby is getting enough sleep it doesn't matter where he does it. On holiday in the med you can always tell who is a local in restaurants as their babies/toddlers are often sleeping in buggies at midnight in bars/restaurants. In the UK that would be a SS referral.

Whoopsies · 21/07/2021 06:36

I think it's fine if it suits you both. Neither of mine had a routine at that age. Even now my nearly 2 year old doesn't have a bedtime routine as such, I just tell him it's time for bed, he's gets in and Geo's to sleep, so not all children need them!

piscis · 21/07/2021 06:50

Babies sleep anywhere and you have your pushchair with you.
A bath a day is not necessary, there is no issue with missing bathtime sometimes!
I have always been amazed at the rigidity of some people in regards to babies and kids' routines...what a pain and difficult life if you have to be at home every day at 6pm not to miss anything!! Obviously your baby is still going to eat and sleep wherever you are, that's what's important!!
As another poster has said, I believe lots of people who insist going to bed at 7pm is very important for their kids they are thinking more about having a child-free evening

Wilkolampshade · 21/07/2021 07:01

No, YABU.

Wilkolampshade · 21/07/2021 07:03

Shit Blush YANBU I meant!!!

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