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Disgusted with how MIL spoke to a workman- AIBU?

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Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 13:57

So context, MIL doesnt live with DH and I but DH provides for her financially speaking. MIL and DH are Asian (Indian subcontinent) I am white European our DD is very fair (so white passing) MIL doesn’t speak English BUT she understands very basic phrases (think hello, goodbye, my name is etc)

There was a workman doing some work at MILs today that DH had hired. DH gets a call from workman saying that he has introduced himself to MIL several times but she is not calling him by his name, rather she is referring to him as ‘Goreh’ and he’s offended as he’s doing the job for a very good price and has been very careful to make sure she understands what’s going on and is comfortable with a man In her home, yet despite him introducing himself and stating his name she’s been calling him goreh. So he called DH to tell him to tell her to stop or he’ll leave because he doesn’t need it as he’s trying to be helpful. I feel awful for the guy, I’m mortified that she’d treat someone that way.

DH relayed the message but brushed it off as him mum being a bit stupid. I think this is disgusting and it’s purposely talking down to someone who’s doing work in your home.

For context the word goreh means white man. I asked a pakistani friend about it and she was mortified and stated it was really really rude to speak to someone like that. This sort of stuff hits a nerve with me as it is very much how I’m treated by his family. Whilst I understand that white people aren’t victims of racism (I think Akala spoke about it in detail if anyone is interested) the term goreh at least in his family is used in an exclusively derogatory context. Some examples being if someone said you look very goreh today it would be an insult, I’ve been told I have a ‘disgusting gori’ name and family members refused to call me by it, people would stare at me and not let me sit with them at family functions (I’d hear gori, gori and then they’d put their bags on chair so I couldn’t sit there), MIL in particular refused to accept me because I’m ‘gori’ and ‘gori’ have no family values and are all money grabbing etc. So this is how I know, pretty much for certain that goreh/gori is derogatory/ an insult and a slur.

She has a habit of doing really shitty things such as this and gets out of it because she plays dumb. But she’s knows full well that goreh is derogatory and would’ve understood when he told her his name. I’m just mortified and disappointed by her actions yet again, but DH sort of laughs it off.

DH apologised to the work man and made her apologise to so there’s nothing more than can really be done in this situation, so I get that. But this is disgusting behaviour from her right?

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Bootskates · 18/06/2021 14:01

Yep absolutely. And disgusting behaviour towards you too. What does your DH say you are treated within his family? Do they treat your child like that too?

Bootskates · 18/06/2021 14:01

What does your Dh say about that is meant to say!

3Britnee · 18/06/2021 14:04

@Sleeplessem

So context, MIL doesnt live with DH and I but DH provides for her financially speaking. MIL and DH are Asian (Indian subcontinent) I am white European our DD is very fair (so white passing) MIL doesn’t speak English BUT she understands very basic phrases (think hello, goodbye, my name is etc)

There was a workman doing some work at MILs today that DH had hired. DH gets a call from workman saying that he has introduced himself to MIL several times but she is not calling him by his name, rather she is referring to him as ‘Goreh’ and he’s offended as he’s doing the job for a very good price and has been very careful to make sure she understands what’s going on and is comfortable with a man In her home, yet despite him introducing himself and stating his name she’s been calling him goreh. So he called DH to tell him to tell her to stop or he’ll leave because he doesn’t need it as he’s trying to be helpful. I feel awful for the guy, I’m mortified that she’d treat someone that way.

DH relayed the message but brushed it off as him mum being a bit stupid. I think this is disgusting and it’s purposely talking down to someone who’s doing work in your home.

For context the word goreh means white man. I asked a pakistani friend about it and she was mortified and stated it was really really rude to speak to someone like that. This sort of stuff hits a nerve with me as it is very much how I’m treated by his family. Whilst I understand that white people aren’t victims of racism (I think Akala spoke about it in detail if anyone is interested) the term goreh at least in his family is used in an exclusively derogatory context. Some examples being if someone said you look very goreh today it would be an insult, I’ve been told I have a ‘disgusting gori’ name and family members refused to call me by it, people would stare at me and not let me sit with them at family functions (I’d hear gori, gori and then they’d put their bags on chair so I couldn’t sit there), MIL in particular refused to accept me because I’m ‘gori’ and ‘gori’ have no family values and are all money grabbing etc. So this is how I know, pretty much for certain that goreh/gori is derogatory/ an insult and a slur.

She has a habit of doing really shitty things such as this and gets out of it because she plays dumb. But she’s knows full well that goreh is derogatory and would’ve understood when he told her his name. I’m just mortified and disappointed by her actions yet again, but DH sort of laughs it off.

DH apologised to the work man and made her apologise to so there’s nothing more than can really be done in this situation, so I get that. But this is disgusting behaviour from her right?

Of course white people can experience racism.

Your whole post outlines racism towards white people.

MaMelon · 18/06/2021 14:05

Yes that's a disgusting (and racist) way to behave and I'm glad apologies were made - although it absolutely shouldn't have happened in the first place.

However, as is often said on MN, you don't have a MIL problem, you have a DH problem. If my MIL and her family were that insulting to me DH would have stood up to them a long time ago - and if it persisted he'd have nothing to do with them. I'm so sorry you're on the receiving end of this.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:07

They don’t really get the opportunity to speak to me or DD like anything as I no longer socialise with them.

MIL is fine with me and does love DD (doesn’t seem mutual thought lol). Should say MIL is fine with me now, as I stopped speaking to her and refused to engage with her for a year due to how she was treating me.

I just feel like, yeah she never went to school but she’s an adult and fundamentally knows right from wrong as she knows what’s rude behaviour yet hides behind this ‘oh I never went to school, I’m
Daft etc’ but it’s just bollox

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MrMeSeeks · 18/06/2021 14:08

Why are you with him and have a child with him?
I would never be with a man whose mother treated me like this! This is awful.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:09

@3Britnee there is some interesting research on that, it’s not my specialty so I don’t want to go into detail but I think a distinction can be made between racism (a system of oppression) and race based prejudice. Some interesting articles and talks on it if you’re interested xx

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Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:10

@MrMeSeeks because he’s not responsible for her actions. My mother is abusive and racist towards anyone who’s not white and it’s abhorrent but it’s not my fault she is like this.

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NeverAgain123456 · 18/06/2021 14:12

I hate the MN phrase ‘you have a DH problem’! She totally has a MIL problem, DH isn’t responsible for what his mother says.
She’s a racist, the workman had every right to pack up and leave. I wish he had.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:13

@MaMelon point of the post wasn’t about me.

But DH does stand up for me and doesn’t tolerate that sort of nonsense towards me. Family separate men/ women for a lot of functions so unfortunately he never is there to witness this first hand or he’d step in there and then.

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LST · 18/06/2021 14:14

@MrMeSeeks

Why are you with him and have a child with him? I would never be with a man whose mother treated me like this! This is awful.
Eh?
Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:14

@NeverAgain123456 I completely agree and I find the comment asking why I have a child with my husband of 5 years disgusting!

I wish that man walked away too, poor guy. Was fixing something for her

My mother is a racists too but I challenge every abhorrent view but ultimately I can’t control how she thinks

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IdblowJonSnow · 18/06/2021 14:17

Yanbu. What a horrible woman.
Disagree though that white people can't be on the receiving end of racism, of course they can!

MaMelon · 18/06/2021 14:18

No, I know it wasn't about you and I'm sorry if it came across that way - but in your OP you described being on the receiving end of horrendous behaviour from his MIL family and you said that DH just laughs it off, which I found really shocking.

Posieandpip · 18/06/2021 14:19

How can you say that white people can't experience racism while describing a woman being racist to a white man, as well as describing all the racist things that have been said to you?!

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 18/06/2021 14:22

your MIL is racist.

poor guy, kudos to him for taking her abuse for this long, I would've left after being insulted for the first time

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:24

@MaMelon that’s my mistake in explaining then, i more generally meant she does shitty things that she just gets away with because she’s ‘daft’ so it will be telling people I spend too much money on my house (because I bought a new rug) or passing comment on what white people (gori thing again) are wearing in the street in a judgmental way (Shes lived here for nearly 30 years what white people wear is not shocking- it will be like if a women is in a skirt and t shirt for instance), and of course there has been her melodrama (would need a whole other post for this) that no one really calls her out on (to the extent she should be) because ‘she doesn’t know better’ and I think she totally plays to this, like today with the workman and it’s disgusting

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MaMelon · 18/06/2021 14:28

She sounds utterly vile - she's not daft, she knows exactly what she's doing.

DespairingHomeowner · 18/06/2021 14:29

Your MIL/ your husband’s family don’t sound very nice

However, your Pakistani friend’s statement is not fully correct: the term does mean white person, but is not derogatory in normal usage. It’s the equivalent of calling someone ‘ a black man’, not the N word. It’s just a bit unusual to call somebody that to their face

Rude of your MIL not to call him by his name, or something like ‘young man’ 🙄

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:32

@Posieandpip don’t really want to get into the ins and outs of this as it’s not my area of expertise but there are some interesting talks about it by some black scholars (probably could find them on YouTube) but basically a distinction is drawn between race based prejudice (what I’ve mentioned above) and a system of racism (prejudice +power, a very obvious example being all we see with police violence and the black community in the states)

Again not my area but I’d seen a few speakers talk about it and it made sense to me in the wider sense, so whilst I might crap from family in the wider sense of living in the uk I don’t suffer as a result of being white. I’ve probably explained that terribly.

Don’t want to enter into a debate on this though here but if you’re interested have a google Flowers

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Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:34

@DespairingHomeowner I think how I know it’s offensive, particularly in the family is how it’s been used towards me. They are very us v them and goreh/ gori is typically synonymous with being morally corrupt and less than xx

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IntermittentParps · 18/06/2021 14:37

Sure, white people have more power (very generally speaking), but discriminating against anyone on grounds of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group is by definition racism.

Anyway.
At these family events with people putting their bags on chairs so you couldn’t sit there, your DH should have marched up to them and told them to pack it the fuck in. Just imagine a table of white people doing that as someone with dark skin approached.

Maggiesfarm · 18/06/2021 14:38

Well, in fairness, describing a white man as a 'white man' is hardly in the same category as calling someone a 'paki'. If the woman cannot really speak English, she is going to feel vulnerable and will make mistakes.

A little tolerance on both sides is needed here.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 18/06/2021 14:41

@Maggiesfarm

Well, in fairness, describing a white man as a 'white man' is hardly in the same category as calling someone a 'paki'. If the woman cannot really speak English, she is going to feel vulnerable and will make mistakes.

A little tolerance on both sides is needed here.

she's lived here for 30 years. no excuse to claim ignorance.

besides show me one woman driver who wouldn't be offended at being called a woman driver.
it's factually correct.
but we all know what they mean by it

ScottishNewbie · 18/06/2021 14:42

She sounds vile and as your DH is providing financially for her and hiring these workmen, her behaviour directly reflects on you and your DH.
I would be telling her that no one else will be hired until she starts to treat people with respect.
How disgusting. Your DH's entire extended family sound vile too actually.
How unweloming and rude to you as a new family member.