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Disgusted with how MIL spoke to a workman- AIBU?

202 replies

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 13:57

So context, MIL doesnt live with DH and I but DH provides for her financially speaking. MIL and DH are Asian (Indian subcontinent) I am white European our DD is very fair (so white passing) MIL doesn’t speak English BUT she understands very basic phrases (think hello, goodbye, my name is etc)

There was a workman doing some work at MILs today that DH had hired. DH gets a call from workman saying that he has introduced himself to MIL several times but she is not calling him by his name, rather she is referring to him as ‘Goreh’ and he’s offended as he’s doing the job for a very good price and has been very careful to make sure she understands what’s going on and is comfortable with a man In her home, yet despite him introducing himself and stating his name she’s been calling him goreh. So he called DH to tell him to tell her to stop or he’ll leave because he doesn’t need it as he’s trying to be helpful. I feel awful for the guy, I’m mortified that she’d treat someone that way.

DH relayed the message but brushed it off as him mum being a bit stupid. I think this is disgusting and it’s purposely talking down to someone who’s doing work in your home.

For context the word goreh means white man. I asked a pakistani friend about it and she was mortified and stated it was really really rude to speak to someone like that. This sort of stuff hits a nerve with me as it is very much how I’m treated by his family. Whilst I understand that white people aren’t victims of racism (I think Akala spoke about it in detail if anyone is interested) the term goreh at least in his family is used in an exclusively derogatory context. Some examples being if someone said you look very goreh today it would be an insult, I’ve been told I have a ‘disgusting gori’ name and family members refused to call me by it, people would stare at me and not let me sit with them at family functions (I’d hear gori, gori and then they’d put their bags on chair so I couldn’t sit there), MIL in particular refused to accept me because I’m ‘gori’ and ‘gori’ have no family values and are all money grabbing etc. So this is how I know, pretty much for certain that goreh/gori is derogatory/ an insult and a slur.

She has a habit of doing really shitty things such as this and gets out of it because she plays dumb. But she’s knows full well that goreh is derogatory and would’ve understood when he told her his name. I’m just mortified and disappointed by her actions yet again, but DH sort of laughs it off.

DH apologised to the work man and made her apologise to so there’s nothing more than can really be done in this situation, so I get that. But this is disgusting behaviour from her right?

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DespairingHomeowner · 18/06/2021 14:42

I actually think your husband is to blame for not warning you what his family were like when you were dating, and also being more assertive with them about their rudeness to you

I think by showing you are happy to go low contact if you are treated poorly, you have done what you can do

You might need to do it again…

IntermittentParps · 18/06/2021 14:42

Maggiesfarm, it's about context, though. And a Pakistani person told the OP it was rude, and she would probably have a good idea about it.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:44

@IntermittentParps men and women sit separately so he’s not even around or would say something there and then. But this is why i stopped socialising with them, I don’t want to spend time with adults who basically have to be told not to bully.

@Maggiesfarm I think there is too much tolerance showed to her and that’s the problem. She understands more than she lets on (it’s a great way to manipulate her son into thinking she’s helpless but that’s another post) she understands what’s your name? And my name is for sure, she can say them. So whilst I agree it’s not the same league as using the n word or someone calling an Asian ‘paki’, the man had introduced himself 3/4 times. So there is no excuse. Also to her gori/ goreh is derogatory

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Doodlebug71 · 18/06/2021 14:46

OP, that's the sort of nasty behaviour my mother would engage in. One of the many reasons why we're NC with her.

My MIL can be incredibly ignorant and stupid, but I do call her out on that. DH will also correct her, but she's so thick-skinned, he ends up looking 0-o after a conversation with her, too. "I can't say anything... always in trouble. I'm not allowed to say anything." Our teen often returns from a visit to granny's in despair at whatever she did this time. You're not responsible for her behaviour. Neither is your DH. It sounds as if your DC has this covered, poor kid.

FictionalCharacter · 18/06/2021 14:48

[quote Sleeplessem]@MrMeSeeks because he’s not responsible for her actions. My mother is abusive and racist towards anyone who’s not white and it’s abhorrent but it’s not my fault she is like this.[/quote]
True, he isn’t responsible for her actions, but he’s responsible for his response to them i.e. laughing it off.

It sounds like he’s in a difficult position. I’m sure nothing he says will make her act differently, but he should be making it clear that he disapproves of her behaviour and sees through her acting innocent.

amatsip · 18/06/2021 14:50

My mother uses those terms she is Indian and it is not in a racist context.

BarbarianMum · 18/06/2021 14:51

I'm pretty impressed that the workman knew what it meant tbh, I wonder why he felt so insulted that he needed to ring you about it?

In future, dont get involved. If workmen down tools your dh can deal with it.

frazzledasarock · 18/06/2021 14:51

How on earth is she using the word to address him. It doesn’t make grammatical sense.

I speak Urdu it’s my mother tongue. I can’t actually imagine how the sentences she is forming.

Sounds incredibly odd.

Ozanj · 18/06/2021 14:51

@Sleeplessem

So context, MIL doesnt live with DH and I but DH provides for her financially speaking. MIL and DH are Asian (Indian subcontinent) I am white European our DD is very fair (so white passing) MIL doesn’t speak English BUT she understands very basic phrases (think hello, goodbye, my name is etc)

There was a workman doing some work at MILs today that DH had hired. DH gets a call from workman saying that he has introduced himself to MIL several times but she is not calling him by his name, rather she is referring to him as ‘Goreh’ and he’s offended as he’s doing the job for a very good price and has been very careful to make sure she understands what’s going on and is comfortable with a man In her home, yet despite him introducing himself and stating his name she’s been calling him goreh. So he called DH to tell him to tell her to stop or he’ll leave because he doesn’t need it as he’s trying to be helpful. I feel awful for the guy, I’m mortified that she’d treat someone that way.

DH relayed the message but brushed it off as him mum being a bit stupid. I think this is disgusting and it’s purposely talking down to someone who’s doing work in your home.

For context the word goreh means white man. I asked a pakistani friend about it and she was mortified and stated it was really really rude to speak to someone like that. This sort of stuff hits a nerve with me as it is very much how I’m treated by his family. Whilst I understand that white people aren’t victims of racism (I think Akala spoke about it in detail if anyone is interested) the term goreh at least in his family is used in an exclusively derogatory context. Some examples being if someone said you look very goreh today it would be an insult, I’ve been told I have a ‘disgusting gori’ name and family members refused to call me by it, people would stare at me and not let me sit with them at family functions (I’d hear gori, gori and then they’d put their bags on chair so I couldn’t sit there), MIL in particular refused to accept me because I’m ‘gori’ and ‘gori’ have no family values and are all money grabbing etc. So this is how I know, pretty much for certain that goreh/gori is derogatory/ an insult and a slur.

She has a habit of doing really shitty things such as this and gets out of it because she plays dumb. But she’s knows full well that goreh is derogatory and would’ve understood when he told her his name. I’m just mortified and disappointed by her actions yet again, but DH sort of laughs it off.

DH apologised to the work man and made her apologise to so there’s nothing more than can really be done in this situation, so I get that. But this is disgusting behaviour from her right?

I take it from this post that the workman was Indian and taking offence to being called a ‘Goreh’ because it is another way of insulting Indian people who charge market appropriate prices? Is that right?

It doesn’t make it better of course but if that’s right your DH should have shut him straight down. I am Indian and tbh too many Indian men like to date white women, have white kids, but then like to play poor buggers amongst the Indian community by insulting white people. The fact that he hasn’t supported you with your mil is just another facet of this.

ClutchesPearlsAndFaints · 18/06/2021 14:51

I bet she knows exactly what she's doing as does your husband. You won't change her
I'd don't blame you for having nothing to do with her

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:52

@DespairingHomeowner I sort of agree, but I just don’t think he saw it. He’s a very placid guy, never involved in drama so wouldn’t have any sort of contentious convo with family, he’s also not a big talker so most of the time sits in silence or plays with the kids. No one has ever married a white person in his family before, arranged marriages are very much the norm and consanguineous marriages still take place and until very recently were the norm. I think because he grew up with it, and often didn’t realise spouses were related (1st/2nd/3rd cousins) it’s just his norm. Him marrying me was a big shakeup to the status quo and brought how a lot of people think/ act and feel out of the wood work x

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frazzledasarock · 18/06/2021 14:52

Yeah and it isn’t racist it’s descriptive.

I’ve been called the female equivalent. I’m not white.

It’s a term of affection or can be used as a chat up line.

Maggiesfarm · 18/06/2021 14:53

@IntermittentParps

Maggiesfarm, it's about context, though. And a Pakistani person told the OP it was rude, and she would probably have a good idea about it.
Oh yes, I get that. It's a difficult one. I doubt the woman means to be offensive but she is really being a little bit defensive. If you don't speak the lingo (and I wonder why she doesn't), you are going to feel very vulnerable and want to build walls around yourself that you probably don't need.

I think the op's husband needs to speak plainly (but kindly), to his mum.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:54

@Ozanj sorry the worker was a white guy, but we live in a very multicultural area so he just knew what it meant.

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Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 14:56

@frazzledasarock In the family so for her it is definitely derogatory and synonymous with everything wrong (in their opinion) with society. Read into that what you will xx

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Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 15:01

Oh and @frazzledasarock calling him goreh instead of his name when she was asking him something, I think she said something about ‘oh
Goreh’ when he rang the doorbell but I didn’t quite get that bit.

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Ozanj · 18/06/2021 15:04

@frazzledasarock

Yeah and it isn’t racist it’s descriptive.

I’ve been called the female equivalent. I’m not white.

It’s a term of affection or can be used as a chat up line.

If it’s descriptive about a lighter skinned / good looking person it usually refers to individuals and is Goraa or Gori. Goreh as in Goreh log refers to white people and I have never in all my life known for it not to be used in a racist way. Lol @ the idea of someone using Goreh as a chat up line to a white person.
Enid9 · 18/06/2021 15:04

@Sleeplessem

Whilst I understand that white people aren’t victims of racism

I visited Western Africa a few years ago now.

I was repeatedly called Toubab by several of the locals, which means “white person”.
I absolutely thought it was racist, just as it would
be if I were to refer to the locals as “black man”
or some other derogatory term with the same meaning!

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 18/06/2021 15:06

Saying that white people can't experience racism is bullshit. She is a racist and she needs a good bloody talking to.

Thewiseoneincognito · 18/06/2021 15:09

She sounds like a horror OP but I agree with others, your DH is at fault for not correcting this shameful behaviour. It will only get worse.

Sleeplessem · 18/06/2021 15:12

@Thewiseoneincognito he corrects it when he sees it. But he’s not responsible for another persons toxic thoughts/ beliefs or actions.
But I do think she gets away with more than she should because she plays the fool

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Motherofalittledragon · 18/06/2021 15:13

She's very rude and a racist

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2021 15:16

Your MIL is being racist towards a white man and your advising white people don’t experience racism Hmm

YANBU, however YABU in claiming white people don’t experience racism!!!

Anotheruser02 · 18/06/2021 15:17

[quote Sleeplessem]@Posieandpip don’t really want to get into the ins and outs of this as it’s not my area of expertise but there are some interesting talks about it by some black scholars (probably could find them on YouTube) but basically a distinction is drawn between race based prejudice (what I’ve mentioned above) and a system of racism (prejudice +power, a very obvious example being all we see with police violence and the black community in the states)

Again not my area but I’d seen a few speakers talk about it and it made sense to me in the wider sense, so whilst I might crap from family in the wider sense of living in the uk I don’t suffer as a result of being white. I’ve probably explained that terribly.

Don’t want to enter into a debate on this though here but if you’re interested have a google Flowers[/quote]
I know that's not the point of your thread, but thank you for this it's very interesting. I think I see what you mean.

Tlollj · 18/06/2021 15:19

There’s a lot going on here I think. A racist mother a racist MIL an ineffective DH. I think those are your issues tbh not the way she spoke to a workman. Although I’ve never heard the term I’ll take your word for it being derogatory.
You two have a long hard road in front of you if you don’t have any support from either set of in laws. Good luck.