If you voted for BJ, how are you feeling now, when even the man who masterminded his entire campaign is telling you BJ was never fit to be PM?

[mintice]

I’m interested to hear - if you voted for “Sovereignty,” or to “Take Back Control” or whatever, how does it now feel to discover that even the mastermind of the Brexit campaign had no confidence in the man he persuaded you to believe in and vote for?

Do you feel played? Which side will you be taking now - Team BJ? Or team DC?

"Johnson is a liberal centrist. We currently have the most socialist Tory party for a century!"

Johnson blows with the wind. He will do what it takes to win, or to keep, power and adjust his opinions to suit. There is no substance to the man.

Evictions are complex. I know several landlords who only own one property, and are now having to sell up (and evict their tenants), as they can no longer support the mortgage without the income. It's a vicious circle.

The solution is we reintroduce a welfare safety net including housing benefit. Plus current arrears to go direct to landlord (if the landlord wants) either from a Rent Arrear Covid Support Fund or wages (if tenant is in work).

Also, landlords don't have to evict to sell. They can sell to another landlord.

Btw you might not mind a situation where huge numbers of children and vulnerable disabled people are homeless, but most taxpayers would rather not spend billions on very expensive temporary accommodation.

@mintice

What I’m trying to get at is that clearly a lot people really believed in the Leave campaign and BJ and Cummings were the face of this. It’s why they’ve both been like Teflon ever since - almost a weird cult following among some. But if even the man who masterminded Boris’ rise to power thinks he’s an utter incompetent - what must he think of the people who were manipulated to vote for that? It’s as if he’s speaking to the nation with sheer contempt and not even trying to hide it anymore.

You have a very narrow view. It may help you to recognise that not everyone who voted for Brexit voted for Boris (or any other Tory).

Also the tired old trope that people were manipulated otherwise they wouldn't have voted Leave is getting a bit worn out now.

@HarrietPierce

"Johnson is a liberal centrist. We currently have the most socialist Tory party for a century!"

Johnson blows with the wind. He will do what it takes to win, or to keep, power and adjust his opinions to suit. There is no substance to the man.

And yet Thatcher did just the same and is a hero to her apologists.

Oh and Cummings is a slimeball and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him

..but your husband did!

FFS voting leave wasn't the same as trusting Cummings, any more than voting remain was proof you agreed with anything and everything Jeremy Clarkson, John Major and Tony Blair ever said - what a ridiculous remark.

There was more than one Leave campaign group.

One often ignored by the media was Labour Leave.

Cummings is not the only face of Leave. He's just been given more media prominence.

I too know a few landlords who own one rental property and are having to sell because they can't pay their mortgage. Why should they be penalised by the eviction freeze.

@yellowspanner

I too know a few landlords who own one rental property and are having to sell because they can't pay their mortgage. Why should they be penalised by the eviction freeze.

Why do they need to be?

See my previous post.

If the landlords you know are taxpayers, they'll be penalised more by the costs of very expensive temporary accommodation for homeless children and vulnerable adults than increased housing benefits and a Covid Rent Arrears Fund.

There was money (billions) to give a stamp duty holiday push up house prices and inflate the unsustainable bubble,there can be money for this more necessary funding.

Perhaps we could use the stamp duty tax post the holiday to help fund what's needed.

@yellowspanner

I voted for Brexit because I wanted us to leave the EU. I wasn't duped nor did I vote for it because I had nothing to lose. I voted because I agree with it. And I agree Boris is a bit too centrist.

You did, maybe you are a life long anti european, like Steve Baker, thats fine for you.

Many who voted out did so based on the 2 leave campaigns, one of which was headed by Johnson and his chief of staff, D.Cummings.

Who was then a man of the utmost integrity but is now the scum of the lying earth!

Funny how history can be so easily manipulated.

Who was then a man of the utmost integrity

What was your view of him then and now?

I can’t say mine has changed much. He’s very good at getting the right words, doesn’t mean you should trust him.

Do you now given his recent expose

What was your view of him then and now?

Cummings? very clever PR man, who gave the winning slogans to his then friend, Mr Johnson.

That view hasn't changed, i believe a lot of what he said because it is backed up by the behaviours of the govt last spring and autumn/winter 2020.
Where i do agree with many posters is his reasons for "telling all" now & his general character but even low life slimballs can be truthful

I never supported Brexit, i think it will be looked upon as one of the worst foreign policy decisions ever made by the UK.

I don’t think many ever thought he had integrity tbh

He’s had his moment - a few times. Far more than someone like him should really

I voted leave for lots of reasons. I voted Tory mainly because my MP is very good and a leaver. but partly because.

@yellowspanner

I too know a few landlords who own one rental property and are having to sell because they can't pay their mortgage. Why should they be penalised by the eviction freeze.

How can they sell with tenant in place who can't pay rent? that seems a rather ludicrous claim.

Going into the rental property market is like any other business venture - it can fail for many reasons outside of your control.

LLs just have to bite the bullet, just like business that have folded because of Brexit, no one is helping them.

The LL need to evict the tenant and sell with vacant possession.

I think the last two posters have posted on the wrong thread. We're discussing BJ and Cummings.

@Singlenotsingle

I think the last two posters have posted on the wrong thread. We're discussing BJ and Cummings.

Sorry you are right

@Singlenotsingle

I think the last two posters have posted on the wrong thread. We're discussing BJ and Cummings.

BJ is about to cost the taxpayer dear - billions - to house in expensive temporary accommodation homeless vulnerable adults and children.

Stamp duty could and should have been used to pay for increased housing benefits.

It's a double loss to the taxpayer. Many millions in stamp duty not received AND billions to go on temporary accommodation.

Tbf to BJ, the blame largely lies with Sunak here, but it's on BJ's watch.

@Tealightsandd I doubt that many of them Will end up in temporary accommodation. Most of the landlords who have been screwed over by the eviction ban will sell up so there won't be much rental property available. Many of the tenants will be deemed to have made themselves intentionally homeless by not paying their rent. I think we'll see alot of immigrants returning to their native countries and people moving in with familly etc.