If you voted for BJ, how are you feeling now, when even the man who masterminded his entire campaign is telling you BJ was never fit to be PM?

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I’m interested to hear - if you voted for “Sovereignty,” or to “Take Back Control” or whatever, how does it now feel to discover that even the mastermind of the Brexit campaign had no confidence in the man he persuaded you to believe in and vote for?

Do you feel played? Which side will you be taking now - Team BJ? Or team DC?

Cummings is still a liar and a manipulator. But even if 10th of what he said is true, Johnson should resign immediately.

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If you voted for BJ, how are you feeling now, when even the man who masterminded his entire campaign is telling you BJ was never fit to be PM?

Are you kidding? Dominic Cummings is only bashing Boris Johnson because he is bitter and angry and he is lashing out. Why did he not say all this before? Too chicken shit I guess?

He says he is not fit to be Prime Minister. (And you obviously agree!) So who is then? Who IS fit to be Prime Minister?[/quote]
Cummings said that anyone who is in the top 1% of this country’s capable people who have done a better job than Johnson. So pretty much any company director.

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I think JC had more to do with that than DC.

People who voted for Boris don’t care about anything. They are blind when it comes to their beloved leader.

You don’t have to like Cummings to believe what he’s saying about Boris and the rest of this Government. I can’t stand DC he’s a slimy little cunt, but I believe what he has been saying recently because it’s all stuff I suspected anyway. It doesn’t take a genius to guess how they were all behaving. Oh and BJ isn’t fit to be the PM?? Well fuck me who would have thought it eh?🙄

Anyone who is taken in by BJ and his band of Merry men needs their head looking at.

@TriggersBroom

Cummings is still a liar and a manipulator. But even if 10th of what he said is true, Johnson should resign immediately.

Johnson has done enough in plain sight to have been fired / resigned several times over. He's been like this his entire life, no matter what his occupation.

His "gift" is that somehow it never sticks, and no-one cares. That's why Cummings identified him as the vessel for his schemes in the first place.

Why should these revelations be any different?

Johnson may be more articulate than Trump, but as a political figure they have the same power - there's something about them that a critical mass of people fall for, regardless of anything they do or say.

Johnson has done enough in plain sight to have been fired / resigned several times over. He's been like this his entire life, no matter what his occupation.

His "gift" is that somehow it never sticks, and no-one cares. That's why Cummings identified him as the vessel for his schemes in the first place.

Why should these revelations be any different?*

Totally agree. He is a consummate and serial liar.
This time, for me though, it was very personal. My DH died of covid in December. Imagine how I felt when Cummings stated that Johnson refused to listen to scientific advice and to consult cabinet about lock down in the autumn because he wanted to be like the mayor in Jaws.

I didn't vote for him, or any other party leader.

I voted after listening to the local candidates.

Some of us still do that, or have returned to it, because of the dire nature of party politics.

Most people didn't vote "For Boris" unless he was standing as their MP.
It's a shit system. We should vote for the PM separately, IMO.
The shittier the behaviour, the more people seem to want to vote for them, it is insane.
That said most people are team neither, I think a large minority just vote the way their parents/mates did/how they always have/how newspapers say they should etc.
I didn't vote Tory, for disclosure.

I'm so sorry about your DH, that is devastating.

Sadly, not enough people will care. I don't believe people like Johnson can be stopped until they are actually jailed.

It is perfectly possible to hypnotise a nation (or, at least, a big enough proportion of a nation) - it's been done many times throughout history. It will take something bigger than yet-another-lie to break the spell.

And if anyone doubts that Johnson is a liar read this book by forme4 Daily Mail journalist Peter Oborne which clearly documents how this current government is systematically corrupt and mendacious and then come back and defend him.

www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/The-Assault-on-Truth/Peter-Oborne/9781398501003

I voted Con because the alternative was Jeremy 'Commie' Corbyn and or Jo 'School Marm' Swinson, both with their woke pro-eradication of women agendas. I'm happy with my choice, thanks. BJ and the Cons aren't ideal, I agree, but they were the best of a bad bunch.

@TheLeadbetterLife

I'm so sorry about your DH, that is devastating.

Sadly, not enough people will care. I don't believe people like Johnson can be stopped until they are actually jailed.

It is perfectly possible to hypnotise a nation (or, at least, a big enough proportion of a nation) - it's been done many times throughout history. It will take something bigger than yet-another-lie to break the spell.

Thank you.

I don’t know how we can break the cycle and get people to care but we do need to keep calling this government out, and maybe one day we’ll reach a tipping point where people do care.

@AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair

The electorate votes for their own local MP, obviously BJ has constituents but I'm sure I'm not unique in deciding who to vote for based on my judgement of the qualities for my own constituents regardless of the leader of their party

Neither BJ or DC had any influence on how I voted and neither did JC or any labour party advisors

It wasn't an easy choice for me and I considered it in the round. I hope that's what others do too.

I think the majority do, but a fair minority of people will vote based on the PM candidate, IMO, or down party lines without considering anything further.

@JudgeJ

I'd be more concerned for my sanity if I believed Cummings, how he has gone from being the A1 pariah to being the darling of the left!!! Specsavers also do things to help one's hearing.

Cummings was fully and totally supported by the PM and ALL cabinet ministers at the time. So either they have zero judgement or were liars?

As for Cummings, what he is accusing the Govt of, is backed up by CH's V. high deaths, lack of PPE, xmas lockdown fiasco's, Hancock pretending to cry.... and of course support for herd immunity by the PM and scientists in March 2020.

Its pretty clear that whilst you can question DC's motives, there is a more than a grain of truth in what he is saying.

@NameyNameyNameChangey

Most people didn't vote "For Boris" unless he was standing as their MP. It's a shit system. We should vote for the PM separately, IMO. The shittier the behaviour, the more people seem to want to vote for them, it is insane. That said most people are team neither, I think a large minority just vote the way their parents/mates did/how they always have/how newspapers say they should etc. I didn't vote Tory, for disclosure.

We need proportional representation to stop a party like the Tories getting an 80 seat majority on just 44% of the vote. Campaigns like Make Votes Matter are starting to gain traction but it’s not enough.

I wish the Labour Party would come wake up to the fact that they can’t win on their own, especially as the SNP I so popular in Scotland and back PR.

OP - You can vote conservative and be a remainer you know!

You can also think DC is a tosser, but be able to vote for the Tories. I can't think of any party that has a clean sweep of fabulous upstanding ministers and advisers.

One votes for the party who has the majority of policies one would agree with, and then not all, because politics isn't black and white.

I'd love a PR system- sadly It's not in the governments interests to introduce it while they have a huge majority!

Agree Bluethrough. Cummings was just confirming what had largely been reported already, just filling in gaps with the gory detail.

There is no way the majority votes based on their local candidate, or out of habit. If that were the case it would scarcely matter who the leaders were and the Red Wall would not have crumbled.

Most Labour candidates reported that they were hearing on the doorstep that Corbyn was the problem. Second to that, it was Brexit.

Brexit has utterly fucked the UK - politically as well as economically. The whole thing was only ever internal Tory politics and Oxford Union-style power games getting out of hand. There's no putting the genie back into the bottle now.

Well, the problem here is; f Cummings as much as told me that the sky was blue I’d be having my eyes tested!

He has all the credibility of my neighbours three year old, who claims that our cat drew on their front door in crayon!

@NameyNameyNameChangey

I'd love a PR system- sadly It's not in the governments interests to introduce it while they have a huge majority!

Agreed. Did you know that the UK and Belarus are the only European countries that don’t use some form of PR.

At the end of the day, people can talk all they want on here about how evil the Tory party is and how Boris should resign etc etc. But they won by a landslide. I didn’t vote Tory either, but the general talk on here doesn’t fit with the opinion of society as a whole.

As for Cummings, the same people who were calling for him to be fired over Barnard castle etc and saying what an appalling person he was, how Boris did what he did because of Cummings’ influence are suddenly upholding him as a credible witness? Come on.

Fine because the choice of Jeremy Corbyn and the woke wing of the labour party was worse

Dominic Cummings is only bashing Boris Johnson because he is bitter and angry and he is lashing out. Why did he not say all this before? Too chicken shit I guess?

I struggle with this argument.

Had DC resigned and spilled the beans in March '20, he wouldn't then have been able to tell us about all the other stuff that allegedly went on.
Plus at the height of the pandemic, he would have been accused of undermining the Govt response

I say allegedly, because unless there is actually evidence, thats all they are, hearsay - many will believe him but thats irrelevant.