Admitted to hospital for covid but refused the vaccine

[MakeMineALarge1]

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

This makes me angry, you refuse the vaccine but you'll accept hospital care, why?

What a horrible thread. What have we become? Judgemental.

Tell you what...get pregnant, pay for your own birth, child’s medical and educational needs, after all, there is free contraception readily available and it was your choice...can’t pay - don’t have kids! I don’t want to pay for your snotty nosed kids through my taxes (I’m making a point, obviously not a point well made for births resulting from rape or contraception failures).

I can completely understand why some may be reluctant to get the vaccine, the fear whipped up by the media has been unreal...I was concerned and I trust the medical experts.

You either have a service that’s paid for through taxes and does not judge at the time of needed treatment or you go down the private medical insurance route - I know which I’d rather have! We have friends in the US that can be sacked in a heart beat and lose all access to the regular drugs they need to stay alive simply because they cost so much, so they work themselves to the bone in jobs they hate.

This pandemic has brought out the best in some, but truly the worst in others.

Stones, glass houses and be careful what you wish for.

@XingMing

"In all honesty, I DO think that if you are casual about your personal health, then you don't deserve to benefit from the newest treatment methods"

So not only do we have the deserving and undeserving poor, now the sick can be put into deserving and undeserving piles.
What do you count as 'casual'? Does that include older women getting pregnant, women who know they will need C Sections etc?
Denying people medical treatment isn't good for the whole of society.

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Also can we please fucking stop with the “cretins” and “morons”? Or are we ok with disablist language now?

MN has a history of being fine with such words being used, sadly.

Well funny enough it's cretins who stupid enough to take a vaccine still in the trial period with no knowledge of long term effects! Now run along sheep

I understand your concern. I had similar concerns about long term effects. What swung it for me in the end is that very few vaccines have had long term effects that remained undiscovered this many months in, whereas lots of viruses do.

The long term effects of COVID are just as unknown, and, on the balance of probabilities, the virus itself is more likely to have long term effects than the vaccine is.

MN has a history of being fine with such words being used, sadly

MNHQ will delete if reported

Good, about time too.

I dont think this is comparable with treating smokers who get lung cancer or extreme sports players who are injured as a result of their risk taking.

Covid 19 is a highly infectious/transmissible virus. There is a vaccine available which can slow the spread. Vaccination is not just about the individual but the collective need to protect immunocompromised and other people who can't have the vaccine.

I get really depressed by vaccine refusal.

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo report the thread. No it's not okay. I was following a thread the other day that got taken down for disablist posts and apparently those posters were looked into and "appropriate action" was followed. To be honest I think the op of this thread made this to provoke reactions as there is no way they didnt know how unreasonable this topic is. Some of the things people have said on this is appalling. I'm losing faith in humanity

@Becca19962014 you can also report the thread if you want too

@millenialblush

This is pure fear mongering, how can you not see it? Laying blame on people who made a medical choice, diverting the attention away from the rubbish border policy and to scare the younger age bracket, who are being targeted now, to getting the vaccine. They are going to use the unvaccinated as a reason to lock down again, the 'conspiracy theorists' called it from day 1.

I'm honestly amazed at this point at how people aren't seeing the lies and the fear being pumped through their TV screens.

Exactly this!

flatpancakes I’ve reported those posts. I’m surprised more people haven’t. I’m with you too about some of the posts here and losing faith in humanity.

Denying people medical treatment isn't good for the whole of society.

Say all the unvaccinated people taking up beds in hospital while cancer patients die.

I’m surprised more people haven’t.

How do you know that? Most of us don’t announce what we’ve reported.

playing right into their hands and blaming the "poor, ignorant, uneducated people who wouldnt take the jab and now look, we might have to go into lockdown again and its all their fault. WAKE UP!

If they’d have had their vaccines he couldn’t have used it as an excuse could he?

Plus, when we no longer have unvaccinated people we can open the boarders more and allow more travel, lockdowns will end and we can start rebuilding the economy.

Not casting aspersions, PurpleDaisies Just it’s quite obviously disablist language and not ok, and yet it’s still there. I don’t know if it’s been reported and ignored, or not reported (or not reported enough).

Then halfway through the that idle thought I realised it’s the middle of the night and most of the moderators are off duty, which hopefully explains it.

@Flatpancakes23 thanks.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Denying people medical treatment isn't good for the whole of society.

Say all the unvaccinated people taking up beds in hospital while cancer patients die.

I can't have the vaccine and I won't be as the survival rate for my condition and covid is almost zero. I'm sure that'll help you to sleep well tonight knowing I won't be wasting a bed, or air or anything else for that matter.

And it's not only cancer patients being left to suffer you know.

But refusing vaccine is not just about medical need.

Vaccine refusers make others unwell including those who cannot have the vaccine

It’s not like the only consequence for their choice is their own illness and hospitalisation

The fact is we have freedom of choice in this country.
You might not agree or like it but we do.
People can't be forced to have the vaccine against their will.

'Offered' could mean many different things - a text to an old mobile or email account. Lack of transport to where the vaccinations are being done may mean people can't go - some surgeries in my county do it, most must go to another county - if you can't drive then you must catch a bus for two hours or pay privately for a taxi.

The NHS definition of "offered" and "refused" can mean different things.

All the complaining about it won't change that.

We don't know the facts of these peoples lives and no idea under what circumstances they got admitted.

We had to protect the most vulnerable when this all began, and now we are going to have to protect those who can’t have the vaccine. As decent human beings we are just going to have to tolerate the situation until it improves.

@Toty

Those things don't make other people ill and potentially die

But flu does and we don't vaccinate the healthy to protect the vulnerable from that, even though it kills thousands every year so why just covid?

Flu hasn't just cost the global economy £28tn in lost output.

Why are people still making these comparisons?

@OhWhyNot pregnant women are not offered AstraZeneca. Only Moderna or Pfizer.

Flu hasn't just cost the global economy £28tn in lost output.

To be fair to flu, it probably would do if we locked the world down to prevent it spreading like we did for COVID.

@SteveArnottsWaistcoat

We had to protect the most vulnerable when this all began, and now we are going to have to protect those who can’t have the vaccine. As decent human beings we are just going to have to tolerate the situation until it improves.

They are protected by everyone else who is able to having the vaccine. Not by the rest of the population being locked down. The vulnerable have always been susceptible to illness, we don’t lock down society to stop them getting sick.

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Also can we please fucking stop with the “cretins” and “morons”? Or are we ok with disablist language now?

Well, to be fair, I don't think most people are aware of the origins of the terms. I'd never heard of cretinism before and had no idea that moron was originally created to describe people with a very low cognitive age. In my Googling though, I've also found that 'idiot' and 'imbecile' also both originated as descriptors for profound intellectual disability. Not many people would consider idiot to be disablist.