Admitted to hospital for covid but refused the vaccine

[MakeMineALarge1]

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

This makes me angry, you refuse the vaccine but you'll accept hospital care, why?

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Toty

Those things don't make other people ill and potentially die

But flu does and we don't vaccinate the healthy to protect the vulnerable from that, even though it kills thousands every year so why just covid?

In the US they encourage everyone to be vaccinated for flu.

In any case, it's quite different. If I was locked down because of a flu epidemic, I'd take a flu vaccine as well.

[Tambora]

I live close to Bedford (not that close, thankfully), and I am gobsmacked at the lack of uptake of the vaccine in the town, as reported today in the news. The percentage is considerably lower than many other areas, and they are now paying the price.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@youshallnotpass9

We can't afford the train fare to get to the vaccine centre, since you are condemming us, I am sure you are fine to send me the £40 so we can get there

I would be willing to contribute to a central fund for this kind of thing, yes. Are you in a very rural area? I don't understand why they can't vaccinate closer to where you live.

I'm on the continent and here you can get a free public transport ticket, although the process of getting it makes it not worth while for most people.

[Livelovebehappy]

It’s stupid to compare lung cancer sufferers and alcoholics to covid sufferers taking hospital beds. You don’t get dozens of lung cancer sufferers overwhelming the nhs at one time, yet there are currently dozens of covid sufferers in Bolton hospital. Most of which are eligible for the vaccine, but have refused. We have people waiting for operations, who have been for the last year, postponed due to the pressure on Nhs. Cancer sufferers who are impacted by not being able to get treatment due to selfish people who refuse to have the vaccine just ‘because’. If people choose not to have it - their choice, but when it impacts so many other people, then you have to start to think that people should have to face the consequences of their actions.

[Moonwhite]

All I can say is that I wish them well and I hope they all fully recover. I'm not going to criticize anyone for being afraid to get the vaccine. I got my first jab and found it quite daunting.

Doesn’t it take sometime for the vaccine to take affect?

Yes, when you go in they advise you that you won't have max protection for two weeks, and to continue being careful anyway.

[BluebellsGreenbells]

We can't afford the train fare to get to the vaccine centre

Can you afford two weeks off work isolating? Can you afford to be ill and have others care for your needs? Can you afford not to have the vaccine?

[ScotlandUnited]

Maybe they weren't easy to get a hold of or maybe there are language difficulties. It doesn't mean they actually refused.

[Fitforforty]

So it’s not 19 people? I didn’t think it would be.

I am very pro vaccine but I’m also pro informed consent in medicine. I would never wanted medical care to be forced on anyone except in very rare circumstances in which a judge agrees it is appropriate on a case by case basis.

[BertieBotts]

If somebody has a bad reaction to the vaccine, should they be denied medical care because "you chose to have the vaccine"?

Don't be daft. People are entitled to medical care when they get ill or injured. It doesn't matter whether it was bad luck or poor decision making on their part.

[AfternoonToffee]

Well seeing that my MIL was in a hospital bed when she became eligible (88 so fairly early on), was told she wouldn't get it until discharge and then caught it in hospital, I can't even muster up anything about this situation.

Her first jab was then delayed even further as she needed X number of weeks since her positive test. (She never did get her 2nd)

[Sarahsteedman]

@Accidentallydeletedoopsss

Should smokers be refused care for cancer?
Should heavy drinkers be refused treatment for liver conditions?
Should women who didn’t have the HPV jab be refused smear tests?
Should drug users who’ve overdosed be refused stomach pumping?

Where the condition is directly linked to the cause then yes they should be refused unless they pay for the treatment.

[HermioneWeasley]

Agree- this isn’t comparable to lung cancer or liver cirrhosis- we don’t lock down to stop the NHS being overwhelmed by those diseases. This has been going on for over a year at enormous cost to our children’s education, mental health and the economy. If people refuse a vaccine that stops the NHS being overwhelmed then they shouldn’t expect treatment.

[Hoopa]

My friend won’t have one as she is worried about getting ill, I just can’t understand her mentality, but I try and be patient and talk through the pro’s. It seems selfish to expect hospital care after but that is the system we have.

[Gwenhwyfar]

"Where the condition is directly linked to the cause then yes they should be refused unless they pay for the treatment."

What about sports injuries?

[CoopsMalloops]

@TheDailyCarbunkle

I have to say the tories have done an absolutely fantastic job at getting the utter morons of this country to come over to the idea that healthcare is contingent on worthiness and the ability to pay - they should buy all the fucking morons arguing about the cost of care for the unvaccinated a magnum of champagne to thank them for helping in their goal of selling off the NHS by making the argument that healthcare is a commodity reserved only for those who deserve it/those who can pay.

Everything here yes a million times!!!!

[Dugee]

Where the condition is directly linked to the cause then yes they should be refused unless they pay for the treatment.

Even if they are a higher rate tax payer, never been on benefits? Because if they are both of those two, then they've already paid for their treatment.

Should someone on minimum wage topped up by benefits be treated by an NHS they've never contributed to?

It's either free at the point of service or we all go private. Who do you think the losers would be if we all had to pay individually for private healthcare?

[Toty]

If people refuse a vaccine that stops the NHS being overwhelmed then they shouldn’t expect treatment

You can keep saying that but you do know that they will get medical care right? Regardless of how much you think they shouldn't 🤷‍♀️

[KeyboardWorriers]

I think a lot more work could have been done to reassure people about the vaccines. I have heard so much fear and worry from even my well educated and generally well informed friends

[LadyLolaRuben]

I pay my national insurance and regardless of my vaccine status I'm entitled to healthcare. Many people have reasons not to have the vaccine.

[youshallnotpass9]

@Gwenhwyfar

Nop, not in a rural area, I don't know why its so far away.

@BluebellsGreenbells
We would get £500 if required to self isolate. But I would love you to tell me, where in my budget I can get £40 and that is assuming, we could walk to the vaccine center from the train station. If you don't have the money for it, you can't magic it up. we have to wait till a center opens up closer to us, or our doctor gets it in.

[FourOnTheHill]

This looks to me like an OP by a government spad. I agree with others the government are entirely responsible for the Indian variant getting in the country. The same government would absolutely love to dismantle the free at the point of use principle of the NHS. We know this is their agenda. Fortunately most people on this thread and most of the country still support access to medical treatment for all.

[Tana433]

God it is truly mindboggling how manipulated people can be to believe the "narrative" They were offered the vaccine and refused and now they are in hospital????? Says who?? Oh yeah thats right Matt Hancock who is obviously covering his and his incompetent collegues arses as this Indian strain sweeps the country. Nothing at all to do with the failure to shut borders and stop flights! You are playing right into their hands and blaming the "poor, ignorant, uneducated people who wouldnt take the jab and now look, we might have to go into lockdown again and its all their fault. WAKE UP!

[Accidentallydeletedoopsss]

@Tana433 absolutely!

[XenoBitch]

@KeyboardWorriers

I think a lot more work could have been done to reassure people about the vaccines. I have heard so much fear and worry from even my well educated and generally well informed friends

Agreed.
But, instead many people think calling them selfish is the right way to go. Oh, and coming out with crap about being denied treatment if you get Covid.

[Loodally]

@Tana433

Bloody well said!