Admitted to hospital for covid but refused the vaccine

[MakeMineALarge1]

So it has just been on my local news that there are 19 people in hospitlal with covid and all of them had not taken up their offer of a vaccine.

This makes me angry, you refuse the vaccine but you'll accept hospital care, why?

[howaboutchocolate]

I wonder if vaccine hesitant people are also hesitant about new treatments used for covid and ask how the trials went before they accept them.

[BertieBotts]

Having treatment for something when you're already ill is a very different situation to taking a preventative medicine.

I am not against the corona vaccine or any other but you must be able to see that.

[XenoBitch]

@howaboutchocolate

I wonder if vaccine hesitant people are also hesitant about new treatments used for covid and ask how the trials went before they accept them.

It will depend why an individual is hesitant. People who are holding off having the vaccine all do so for their own reasons. They are not one homogeneous mass. They are also not guaranteed to end up in hospital if they get Covid, as keeps getting peddled in threads like these.

[KurtWilde]

@NailsNeedDoing

Because like everyone else in the country, they’re entitled to emergency health care when they need it.

This.

[spanielstail]

I said this on another thread. Yes I think you should sign away your ability to seek medical are for covid if you turn down the vaccine.

I also believe smokers and obese people Should have a 6 month programme to turn things around or they are not covered for illnesses related to their lifestyle.

Sporting injuries should covered as the benefits of engaging in sport outweighs injury risk. There are no benefits to being obese.

[PurpleRainDancer]

Do F* off OP. Have a to go with your cup of self righteousness.

[bakebeans]

The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus. It’s meant to help you fight it off. I know 3 people who have had both vaccines and have contacted Covid. One is currently in hospital but has been told had she not had the vaccine, she would probably be in intensive care

[Coatz]

So many idiots out there who think this vaccine is a miracle cure 🙄

Shall we also stop treating all those with lung cancer who are smokers because they haven't done all they can to prevent themselves being ill?

[AllisoninWunderland]

What have we come to as a society when we have posts like this??
That people think we should refuse medical treatment to those who have either chosen not to or through no fault of their own, have not yet had the vaccine.
The government have really done a great job on creating this feeling. Backed up by the media of course. They want us to shame people into getting the Covid vaccine. They are easily turning citizens against other citizens to deflect their own cock-ups.
Wake up narrow minded people!
Smell the manipulation!

[Aspiringmatriarch]

It's very sad. There's no reason to punish them, I can understand why people get anxious about the vaccine because there are some risks involved and a lot of scaremongering. The risks of catching covid are far higher, as these people have discovered, but I really hope they make a good recovery. I wouldn't for one moment think they didn't deserve medical care. That's just cruel.

[Aspiringmatriarch]

@spanielstail

I said this on another thread. Yes I think you should sign away your ability to seek medical are for covid if you turn down the vaccine.

I also believe smokers and obese people Should have a 6 month programme to turn things around or they are not covered for illnesses related to their lifestyle.

Sporting injuries should covered as the benefits of engaging in sport outweighs injury risk. There are no benefits to being obese.

Well aren't you lovely.

[XenoBitch]

@spanielstail

I said this on another thread. Yes I think you should sign away your ability to seek medical are for covid if you turn down the vaccine.

I also believe smokers and obese people Should have a 6 month programme to turn things around or they are not covered for illnesses related to their lifestyle.

Sporting injuries should covered as the benefits of engaging in sport outweighs injury risk. There are no benefits to being obese.

Obesity, especially very high BMI, can not be very easily turned around in 6 months. There are often psychological issues with it too. A quick fix such as surgery, does not address why someone is overeating. You can't fix something like that in 6 months.
I am obese, thanks to anti-psychotics. Of course, I can just come off them and end up in A&E for self harm and suicide attempts, but according to you, that is my fault too so I should be denied treatment for that as well.

[TheDailyCarbunkle]

I wouldn't get riled up by people like @spanielstail. I think attitudes like that come from genuine, bone-deep ignorance and people like that should be pitied. Can you imagine living with the belief that you need to pass some sort of threshold in order to deserve to live? That if someone judges to be too fat you should be allowed to die? What a horrible place that person's head must be.

[ProvisionallyAnxious]

Could people smugly saying that pregnancy is no reason not to get the vaccine kindly shove off and consider whether they would really have it without a second thought in pregnancy?

I am hugely pro-vaccine but after a lot of research and conversations with HCPs have decided to wait until I am no longer making decisions for my unborn child as well as myself. Every HCP I have spoken to has in fact been enormously ambivalent about the change in guidance around pregnancy, saying there is an enormous amount we just do not know about the m-RNA vaccines and their impact on babies in utero. There have been no longitudinal studies (by definition), and all scientists can say is that it is "unlikely" for the m-RNA to cross the placenta. There have also been a lot of yellow card reports regarding the effect of the vaccine on periods and my endometrium is doing a pretty important job right now that makes me feel uncomfortable to know the vaccine is affecting it in non-pregnant women.

I'm not saying I believe there definitely ARE dangers to the vaccine in pregnancy but the message I have received loud and clear is "we just don't know" once you get beyond the basic metric of stillbirth rates (which haven't been impacted, but that also isn't the only possible imaginable harm!) It's not an easy decision to make given the data available and implying that it is or that people carefully weighing up their own circumstances are morons who deserve no medical treatment is just... 🙄

[HUCKMUCK]

Vaccine hesitancy happens for many reasons. Some people don't have the capacity to assess all the information and make an informed decision. That is actually quite a scary position to be in for some people.

Have some empathy - not everyone is like you. It might be an obvious thought process to you that the jab is a simple risk reduction measure - people are scared and don't know what to believe.