Friend who had IVF is an anti-vaxxer

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Aibu here?

My friend who has not long ago had IVF doesn’t want the vaccine because she doesn’t want to ‘put chemicals’ into her body yet she’s been pumped full of hormones and drugs during IVF.

Aibu to really really not understand her position. It makes me think of anyone from the 90’s who did pills (ecstasy) saying the same thing. It’s an utterly bonkers view point!

It seems a total contradiction!

'Pumped full'

Nice hyperbole there

I think she has every right to decide what she puts in her body.

IF drugs have been around much longer so of course she trusts them more.

Why would you start a thread about your friend just because you don't agree with her. You'll get pages of people agreeing with you of course.

It drives me nuts to be honest! She’s a proper vaxx conspiracy type too.

What a numpty

YANBU but many anti vaxxers tend to be irrational. Don't engage these people.

@MaLarkinn because it’s what mumsnet is for. Discussion of issues.

IVF drugs are really dangerous and can cause hyper ovulation and death. She’s crazy then if she’s an anti vaxer

I mean I don’t agree with her position re vaccination, but I also don’t think that because you’ve had IVF, you are therefore morally obliged to accept any and all drugs in future. 🙄

It’s her body, her choice what she chooses to put in it. YABU

As I said though, it’s the principle isn’t it? If you have done loads of coke and pills, you don’t really have the moral high ground of worrying about what you put in your body. Vaccines are important, especially at the moment to get us out of this mess.

You sound like an awful friend.

@apurplecar why? Because I disagree with my anti- vaxxer friend and think she is a hypocrite?

Now then. Ordinarily I accept no excuses for anti vaxxers, can't stand it. But knowing a couple people who have been through IVF wringer of invasive procedures and regular injections can see how fatigue of that might affect someone and their view on vaccines. I disagree with them, but can empathise. To be honest you just sound like you are judging her because she took recreational drugs 20 years ago. Carry on like that if you've decided you don't want to be friends and cut her off.

IVF, drugs, none of this is your business and you sound awful trying to fling it at her from the jockstrap of your judgy pants. Be her friend, don't be her friend, it's up to you. But don't carry on like this.

Oh wait your friend hasn't even done drugs? You're just using it as a comparison to someone who has been through IVF? Ugh, stop it...

What does “anti-vaxxer” mean please in this context?

Does it mean against all vaccines, ever, including for her kids?

Or does it mean right now she doesn’t want the covid vaccine?

Be aware she didn’t choose to have IVF and it was probably her only way to have much wanted children. She probably worries about the hormones used and tries not to. It has probably made her more anxious about what medication she takes. She realises the covid vaccine is in stage four trials and the one offered to her is implicated in the deaths and serious illness of younger women and not uses in various countries.

While you are at it, you could also question your own pious virtue signalling post and keep your nose out of other people’s business

Actually she did do loads of drugs too in the 90’s. We did them together. But that isn’t my point.

My point is that the way out of this current situation is through vaccines. And I don’t have any time for anti- vaxxer conspiracy views at the moment to be honest.

And yes, an anti vaxxer is someone who doesn’t believe in vaccines. Her kids haven’t been vaccinated either.

My friend is an anti vaxxer and she smokes 20 a day and spent most of the 90’s out of her head on E. She is never without a fridge full of Chardonnay and there is always a g&t in her hand by 6ish!!
She had Botox regularly and any other injection to keep her face super smooth. But she says no vaccine for her because she is worried about the toxicity.
She is fabulous but utterly infuriating.

A place to discuss issues, absolutely, not a place to berate our friends just because we don't share the same opinion.

What else do you hold against your friend from the nineties.

@MaLarkinn you are completely missing my point. I love my friend but i can’t stand her current viewpoint on vaccines at all. I think she is wrong and hypocritical. I am allowed to think that about her because her views are maddening.

Difficult. I have someone like this in the family but she's not my friend, I only have to see her at family events and keep the contact as minimal as possible even though our DS's are very close in age. She's my son's aunt.

I do think though, no matter your believes, the dream of a child can make people desperate and I felt even more asI fell pregnant the month we started trying which wasn't helping the family dynamic in my case.

I personally would move away from that person because in my opinion, if you put up a post of your so called friend, you don't actually like her which is ok. Sometimes we need someone else to tell us the truth because we might not see it ourselves.

@GhostCurry

I mean I don’t agree with her position re vaccination, but I also don’t think that because you’ve had IVF, you are therefore morally obliged to accept any and all drugs in future. 🙄

Agree, but that's not the point that OP is on about.

The friend is objecting to 'chemicals' being put in to her body, but friend is bein inconsitent, because she happily accepts 'chemicals' in other circumstances.

Friend might have other reasons too, but the one she has given is risible

What else do you hold against your friend from the nineties

Presumably nothing from the 90s, because it's only just now that she's taken up with the new, inconsistent and risible attitude?

TBH laughing I would ditch her as a friend instead of bitching and laughing about her on MN. She deserves better

My friends and I all hold different views and have debates. Somehow I cope. It’s called life and its wonderful variety.