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to think that DH should be contributing our rent?

202 replies

Yolo89 · 02/04/2021 19:48

So my DH has decided to move out for three months to try and sort out his depression. He also has a bit of an issue with alcohol.
He left giving me about two days notice.

I am studying full time so have little to no income.

He has now told me he cannot pay any rent this month and some next month. My DS and DD are with me.

His lack of repsonsibility towards money has been an ongoing problem. He spent £200 on some slots app in January and each month runs out and then Im the bad one as i dont give him money.

What is fair in this instance? How much of the rent should he be paying whilst he is not here, given it is for three months and then he intends at this point to move back.

I am just so upset right now.

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MessAllOver · 03/04/2021 12:59

And reading what you have posted in the past, I don't understand why you are still with him. He has let you and your children down again and again (not to mention actually physically endangered them through drink-driving). I don't want to kick you when you're down, but do you want your children to remember their childhood as a happy time when they felt safe or not?

MNWorldisCrazy · 03/04/2021 13:02

Please contact your local council and ask for the 'Discretionary Payments Dept' and yeah, you can apply even when claiming UC

Hankunamatata · 03/04/2021 13:02

He is not solely responsible for your financial security. Put your big girl pants and take control

MNWorldisCrazy · 03/04/2021 13:02

@Lottiethelemming

If he has left he doesn't need to pay anything, realistically speaking. I say that because he absolutely should but for UC purposes, if the money has gone to him, that's your rent element paid in their eyes. All you can do is make a single claim ASAP and never get back with that waste of space again.
Are you joking?! She has two of his children with her!!!!!
Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 13:28

He doesn't drive so no drink driving.

I feel I need to wait until June to move
.I am already broken and my dissertation can go down the drain if I have the stress of moving also. I just have to wait until July at the earliest.

I hear what you are all saying. I will not cope if I have to move this second.

Can people ever get well from all of this?

I just need to stay focused until June.

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Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 13:32

He has both children today. He does take care of them when he has them. I have seen the place he has when he has called. I have asked to see the lease.

He said it was £900 per month for 3 months. No checks done.

He transferred 600 to me from.UC and left me with 2400 in rent. Plus when he comes to the house he takes food I've just bought back to his for the children. He has left himself with no money for himself even.

It's all a mess.

How do you help someone with money problems?

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Hankunamatata · 03/04/2021 13:36

You dont. Either you take full financial control or you get on with it yourself

Steptoeshorse1965 · 03/04/2021 13:39

Whose name is on the rent agreement? Even so, if it was shared space, the cost should be shared. You need to explore your options ASAP.

camsue · 03/04/2021 13:48

Get your own UC claim in. Concentrate on getting your own financial stability and don't let him back.

Spandang · 03/04/2021 13:50

I am already broken and my dissertation can go down the drain if I have the stress of moving also. I just have to wait until July at the earliest.

Come on love, you’re living in a dream world.

Having security in your home is the most important thing for you and your children. You will receive final demands, escalation letters, phone calls, text messages demanding payment throughout all of this.

How is that going to help your dissertation?

You need to make plans and speak to people. Explain the situation to your university, ask for a two week extension.
Use those two weeks to move house.

Explain the situation to your parents, ask them for their support. Personally, I would move anyway and if they’re nearby I’d ask if could stay with them - if it is solely his name on the tenancy and he came home one day and decided he didn’t want you there - what security do you have to get back in? No doubt you’d think he’d never do that. But look what he’s done already.

Let them take care of you in terms of childcare and meals if they’re able.

You need to phone the bills you now can’t pay that are in your name; if the council tax is in your name this is the most important one. Speak to people before you get behind on payments, if you default it will make it harder to get a tenancy.

You cannot make an addict better with money until they want that for them self. He has no self control. All that matters to him is his next slot machine spin.

MadeForThis · 03/04/2021 14:02

You can't help him any more. You can only protect yourself and your children.

Unfortunately you all need protection from him.

cerealgamechanger · 03/04/2021 14:17

Listen to what @Spandang is saying OP.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 03/04/2021 14:27

How do you help someone with money problems?

Why on earth is he still your focus on this?! Stop trying to help him!

You've been trying for literally years. He's had loads of 'last' chances. He stole your inheritance to pay off his debt and then got in the same situation again.

Time and time again he's chosen his wants over his children's needs.

Time and time again you've facilitated and enabled his wants over your children's needs.

Put. Them. First.

He's fucked. He's fucked everything up. There is no fixing someone who is broken unless they are proactively working on doing so themselves.

He doesn't want to change because he's never needed to. Because people around him have enabled him to run away and get bailed out whenever the going got tough.

Stop doing that. Stop focusing on what he will do next, get your head around the fact you're going to be resident parent to your kids because he is unreliable and selfish. That's the reality.

You have only got so much mental energy to give. Stop giving it to him. He doesn't care enough about you or your children to have proactively changed. It sucks and it hurts but it's true.

RoomOfRequirement · 03/04/2021 14:36

You have children. So stop acting like HE is your priority.

JovialNickname · 03/04/2021 14:39

You need to consider this a separation. He's left, don't let him back. Apply to Universal Credit making your own claim, as a single person. You will then get the money you need paid straight to you, without having to rely on scraps from him. I know you say you don't want to make your life more difficult, but you won't be, you will be making it easier. You will get your money paid to you - no uncertainty or begging. Yes your partner won't be in your home but he isn't anyway. And your partners UC claim will rightly be revised down - he's claiming for you and the kids but not giving you anything. This way you get your own money, get to make your own decisions going forward, without having to beg him for ££. Good luck

Bumblebee1980a · 03/04/2021 14:49

Get rid of the loser.

Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 19:54

He had the children today and came back to out house all afternoon with them as he had thought I was having one overnight which I didn't understand.

I will reply later to your messages thanks

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Yolo89 · 04/04/2021 00:24

Spandang - yes it would break me at the moment. I have severe perimenopausal anxiety and now depression because of what is happening. Honestly I don't have the strength until my studies are finished. I know if maybe you haven't severe anxiety you cant know. I am not being a petal. I am treading water trying to keep it all together. Just.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2021 00:42

I don't know what your rock bottom is for this behaviour. But you haven't hit it yet. Some women don't get to it until they're homeless with the children or SS have removed them.

Don't be that woman.

Newmumatlast · 04/04/2021 01:13

If you have a joint UC claim, and there is a housing element to pay for rent, that will have been awarded for the property you are at. The full housing element should be paid for the rent. So it isnt really a he pays/you pays situation if the UC is joint. If you aren't getting as much because he is working then he should really pay what he normally does as top up. Especially if the children are his as he has a responsibility to them.

I know you just want to know what he should pay but you should really consider living apart until he sorts his issues and changing your UC claim to a single one and seeking a change to sole tenancy.

MrsMoastyToasty · 04/04/2021 02:46

Don't get upset. Get angry. Then get even and finally get your self respect and your freedom.
Make a list.

Can you put your studies on hold for a year?
Have you checked your credit report? (If he has an addiction he could be stealing from you or taking out loans fraudulently, which will need reporting to the police).
Get a lawyer.
Look at your benefits.
Get an STI check. He's probably cheating on you too.
Remind him that if he doesn't pay the rent its his credit score which is down the shitter.
Don't pay any bills addressed to him.
Get a sole bank account and get your benefits/wages paid in.
Start living your life as a single person.
Box up all his stuff.

Theunamedcat · 04/04/2021 08:13

I hope you have seen the doctor about your depression?

Can you move in with your family for support I really don't think helping HIM should be your focus right now

We have a menopause thread on here somewhere perhaps drop in on that for advice

Spandang · 04/04/2021 08:22

@Yolo89

My severe anxiety was that every night, I didn’t know what I was going to come home to. It used to tie me up in knots.

I used to stay at work or someone else’s house or the supermarket for as long as possible to avoid it.

He used to drink and drive to work. Used to drink at work, could’ve been cutting your hair. Used to go AWOL for days at a time. Lost numerous jobs, made up numerous lies to employers about why he’d gone AWOL. Think he believed his own lies about how many times his gran had died.

Money was always an issue. To the point where in winter, when it snowed, he wouldn’t put the heating on for more than an hour a day. Wanted to save all his money for booze and bets.

One night I volunteered to work a late night event, I walked in to find the alcoholic passed out on the sofa. A living room filled with smoke. He’d lit a fire, using damp wood.

Some days I’m glad I came home when I did. Other days I think I’d have saved some other mug the bother if I hadn’t.

He didn’t change after that. But I did. He could’ve killed us both.

I used all my people favours, took all the support I could, someone very kindly paid for a van for me to move house, someone else volunteered their time to drive it. I stayed up until 4am packing. I told everyone the truth, I was overwhelmed by how many people wanted to help.

The night I moved out (and I didn’t tell him - his name on the tenancy, the estate agent had contacted me asking to put my name on it and I told them a few home truths, they decided to evict in the end). The night I moved out, I took a picture of my face in my new home.

I looked different. I felt like I had gone on holiday. The weight of the world had been lifted. I was at last safe. I physically looked ten years younger.

What you don’t see when you are in it, is just how much it affects you. I implore you, really I do, just...let go of him. You can’t save him, when they are in this all consuming stage, they don’t care about you. They don’t care about anyone. They care about the next drink or bet and how to find it.

You do only live once. And yes, it’s hard. And yes it broke me. And no, I wasn’t doing a dissertation and I wasn’t peri-menopausal. But I was at rock bottom and I had nothing left. And the best way I can describe how the hell I made it through is to say I behaved like an alcoholic. I took one hour at a time, this hour I’m seeing a property, this hour I work, this hour I pack, this hour I load the van, this hour we go to new place. I did that for a week.

If I had thought about a whole week I would’ve drowned. But I broke things down into the smallest of steps. Because that’s all I could take.

Yolo, one way or another you’re going to have to do this. You can choose to do it now, on your terms, or when you’re evicted. At least if you choose the terms and the timescale you can ask for the support you need.

Right now, time is on your side. In July that might not be the same.

MazekeenSmith · 04/04/2021 08:31

@Newmumatlast

If you have a joint UC claim, and there is a housing element to pay for rent, that will have been awarded for the property you are at. The full housing element should be paid for the rent. So it isnt really a he pays/you pays situation if the UC is joint. If you aren't getting as much because he is working then he should really pay what he normally does as top up. Especially if the children are his as he has a responsibility to them.

I know you just want to know what he should pay but you should really consider living apart until he sorts his issues and changing your UC claim to a single one and seeking a change to sole tenancy.

It's likely that their rent is higher than the UC rent element so he should cover any deficit plus pay maintenance for the children IMO
CleanQueen123 · 04/04/2021 08:41

This may have already been said but will UC even pay you the housing element if the tenancy isn't in your name?

I'm sure I can to provide my tenancy agreement showing how much the rent was and that it was in my sole name.

Honestly OP, you and your children are worth so much more than wasting your lives carrying him.

Find alternative accommodation and start rebuilding your lives as a family unit.

He won't change. I know you desperately want him to but wishing won't make it so.