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to think that DH should be contributing our rent?

202 replies

Yolo89 · 02/04/2021 19:48

So my DH has decided to move out for three months to try and sort out his depression. He also has a bit of an issue with alcohol.
He left giving me about two days notice.

I am studying full time so have little to no income.

He has now told me he cannot pay any rent this month and some next month. My DS and DD are with me.

His lack of repsonsibility towards money has been an ongoing problem. He spent £200 on some slots app in January and each month runs out and then Im the bad one as i dont give him money.

What is fair in this instance? How much of the rent should he be paying whilst he is not here, given it is for three months and then he intends at this point to move back.

I am just so upset right now.

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DyeHard · 02/04/2021 22:55

This website confirms that there's no legal claim against you for the rent, as you're not on the tenancy.

england.shelter.org.uk/legal/relationship_breakdown/marriedcivil_partners_sole_tenant/liability_for_rent

GettingItOutThere · 02/04/2021 22:57

are you at uni? go see the hardship fund team

if its his name on the tenancy and you are not on it, whats the implications of letting them evict, go to the council and claim homeless?

3rd, bin that useless shit off. make the break permanent

youvegottenminuteslynn · 02/04/2021 23:03

OP, you said all the things in bold below over the last 18 months or so.

Please read them back to yourself, especially the ones in which it’s clear he has been drink driving with the kids in the car on more than one occasion, lied endlessly about month, spent your inheritance on bailing himself out and he’s even done the whole ‘Im moving out for a while but I’m planning to come back’ thing again.

Your kids need one parent to be stable and consistent - it’s totally and utterly unfair that he isn’t stepping up to the plate, but because he’s not going to do so the burden falls to you.

Your children deserve not to grow up in a household with a father figure who is disrespectful, dictates the mood of the house, prioritises his addictions, lies and expects the world to offer him solutions.

This is getting out of control now - I really think you need to read back your previous threads to remember how much you’ve had to be the one bolding everything together while he’s been frankly a shit husband and dad. I could never forgive someone drink driving with my kid in the car.

His plan is to come back. I just not sure what use he is making of his space right now. other than being on his phone, drinking and not being hassled by reality.
This was Back in June and it didn't change anything.

If he cant change I have no choice yes, but I need to give him a chance. Dont I?
Well you did, and he's fucked it up again.

If of course he does not want to stop, then I will have to leave but I want to try and work on it before entirely giving up.
You know now that you've done the work, he hasn't so it's time to move on.

He has come home drunk after picking up the children one night and I had a go at him..Big arguement. he was drinking whilst looking for a job (in a pub) then picked up DC from after school club at 5 then came home
This is frankly unforgivable from him.

He got into huge debt and did not really keep me in the picture at all. We got a loan out on my account to help but I ended up paying it off using my inheritance as I was a SAHM. It still didn't help. Then one day the tax man turned up with a demand for £30, 000. I had no idea. I was devastated. Again, unforgivable from him

There's no disclosure on his part at all. He has used my inheritance and never paid it back even though I said I wanted it paid back for the childrens education. I am livid. Yet again, unforgivable from him

He had a limited company - he got disqualified. I found out that on google.
He is an accomplished liar on so many levels

I found a gambing card in his wallet but cant access it. I am.trying to get a credit report. I have trusted him and his talk tyat he will save etc but I now know this isnot happening. How did he turn into this from.the man of my dreams? It is truly horrifying.
You deserve more than this and your kids do too.

my DH drinks himself stupid and hides empty cans around the house.
Your children are living in a home heavily influenced by addiction. This is never, ever a healthy environment. Ever.

He sees a counsellor on.and off then.says it is ok to drink a bit even on antidepressants . He goes out comes hoe at 2am and falls asleep on.the kitchen floor. He hides beer cans in the bedroom.etc.
See above.

Even last night he came home drunk and just does not realise the impact on the family it has. He picked up the children drunk. He thinks he is not drunk but if I can notice a difference in his behaviour then he is under the influence and it affects his behaviour, mood etc.
He has repeatedly driven his children after drinking.

This is probably all horrible to see written down in one go but I think you need a reminder of the whole picture to try and move forwards fully focused on the kids and leave him to it - it's so, so unfair you have to shoulder all the burden but it's the reality of the situation. Thanks

youvegottenminuteslynn · 02/04/2021 23:04

And please do see student services, they may be able to help more than you think - especially signposting you to specialist support services that can help keep you afloat at least in the short term Thanks

EL8888 · 02/04/2021 23:27

@Mycatismadeofstringcheese l think you’re very close to the mark. OP cut him loose, he’s a waste of space basically. Get a claim put in for the children. Good luck with the studying and the rest of your life

Nanny0gg · 03/04/2021 00:00

@Yolo89

I just spoke to him and he knows he has done wrong and he didnt have any come back. He does want to move back in three months and we are having counselling. I have just separated UC.

DH earns a decent wage but has spent it all paying three months of rent and now has nothing left for himself this month. I had to pay for holiday things for the children, I have to pay for all the lessons. I have to pay for everything even though I am the student.

Its ridiculous.

Why are you having joint counselling?

It's not going to stop him drinking and gambling

MixedUpFiles · 03/04/2021 00:18

He has a lease and a responsibility to his family, so I would expect him to continue paying whatever he paid in previous months.

Think of it this way. If he was renting the flat alone and walked out the door there would be no question that he was still responsible for the entirety of the remaining lease.

DYWMB · 03/04/2021 01:00

What do you put in? Did you decide together to be a student etc?

He should have bloody got help or stayed at his parents for his mental health unless he's a danger to you all.
He can't seriously just think it's ok to up and leave for 3mths and not pay rent.
Is he going to pay your or whoever's parents back once he returns?
Is he in rehab for 3 mths or just having a 3mth holiday away from his real life responsibilities?
I hope he's not spending 3mths gambling/drinking etc.

andweallsingalong · 03/04/2021 10:07

Hi @Yolo89 do double check the UC claim, especially if he set it up, to make sure you won't end up owing them money. If you have a large amount of capital from an inheritance (over £6k will reduce it and over 16k is the maximum) then you might not be entitled to anything - he might have "forgotten" to notify then of this. Similarly check there's no claim for rent on the claim now you've split it because if there is and you don't pass it on to the landlord then they'll eventually ask for it back.

Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 10:17

You've gotten - I take on board what you say. Just so you know he does not drive so he picked children up on foot. Not in a car.

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Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 10:17

Andwe - thanks for the advice.

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Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 10:27

DY - I don't contribute at mom although my family have been helping out and will continue to help me as they know I need to get through uni.

DH thinks he supports as he takes the children but he has never been able to offer financial security. Ever. I don't know how to go on in this way. I just don't.

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Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 10:30

He told me he knows it is not good he is not paying anything. He said last night would you rather I have had a heart attack from.stress staying or leave? I said it is ok to need to get better but not shirk responsibility.

He wont pay anyone back.

He always runs out of money before the end of the month and then I won't give him money as I can't trust how he spends it.

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andweallsingalong · 03/04/2021 10:34

Another thing OP at the moment you seem to be in survival mode. Keeping everything going until he stops fucking up.

Its easier to leave now. In 5 years time when he has a stronger bond with his kids and you've covered for him so well they think he's an equal parent can you see how much harder it will be to split AND put safeguards in place so he never has the kids unsupervised. Whilst your kids don't get why one minute daddy's OK to be there with them every day and the next great aunt sue is keeping an eye or they haven't seen him for a couple of weeks (because he's drunk) and you're the bad guy?

Can you see how much easier it is when they're young and more adaptable?

MessAllOver · 03/04/2021 10:39

He said last night would you rather I have had a heart attack from.stress staying or leave? I said it is ok to need to get better but not shirk responsibility.

He's manipulating you. You don't have a choice as to whether you stay or leave, do you?

He's not a life partner, he's a weight around your neck stopping you from providing your children with stability. You need to focus on them not him.

Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 11:03

Mess -there is continual manipulation. He keeps asking what I am working on? What am I doing to help the relationship?

He is accountable to our counsellor.

I agree he not a partner. He is depressed and is drinking and lacks responsibility. I feel so lost.

You know what he said when I said you spent £200 on a slots app? He said well I won money. Speechless.

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Yolo89 · 03/04/2021 11:04

I am sick 0f being the bad guy this parents. They are in complete denial.shall I tell them about this current situation?

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IndecentFeminist · 03/04/2021 11:16

You've had problems with him for a long time, and vice versa. Has anything been done to address the stress that has been building? Has your inheritance gone?

Cocomarine · 03/04/2021 11:21

@Yolo89 what do you want to gain from telling his parents?

If they already see you as the “bad guy”, I doubt you’ll change their minds.

Isn’t it far more effective to change your own mindset to not caring what they think?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 03/04/2021 11:22

@Yolo89

I am sick 0f being the bad guy this parents. They are in complete denial.shall I tell them about this current situation?
Your children are priority now. This is going to be hard to hear but they haven't been the priority so far. You've been manipulated by your husband for a few years at least now and have allowed him to dip in and out of family life, facilitated him having active addictions in the family home by staying with him and bailed him out financially a number of times. Your children's health, security, safety and happiness have been put at risk and they have been let down.

I don't say this to kick you while you're down, I say this to try and snap you out of this purgatory you're in.

Your marriage as you expected it to be when you married him, is over.

This is who he is now. Do you want to be married to this man? This hasn't been a blip, it's been a solid and sustained dynamic of manipulation, addiction and inconsistency on his part. Would you marry him if you met him as he is now? Would you choose him to be a suitable candidate as a father?

If not you need to act accordingly and break up, with the aim of best case scenario coparenting separately, but in all likelihood (unfairly, totally unfairly) the burden of childcare will fall to you because you are more responsible and healthier. It's totally unfair but because he won't step up, you have to do so and put the children first.

IMO a way of doing that is telling your parents and his that the relationship is not sustainable and is now over. That you would appreciate their support because it's going to be a difficult period of adjustment for all and that your focus (and hopefully theirs) will be on aiming to have some consistency and routine for the children.

It's time to put them before him.

Cocomarine · 03/04/2021 11:24

What do you actually hope to gain here on this thread?
Even those who have experienced addiction and are not quick to condemn him, are telling you to separate.
Your previous threads are full of angst and declarations of last chances. Which clearly weren’t.
Nobody is going to tell you that his behaviour is OK and to take him back.

With respect, you distracting yourself with pointless questions about telling mummy and daddy on him, is you trying to avoid facing the real issue.

Cocomarine · 03/04/2021 11:26

@youvegottenminuteslynn is spot on.
You posted a couple of years ago that they were 4 and 7, so I guess roughly 6 and 9 now. This will be having an awful impact on them, and even though that’s his fault - you need to stop doing it to them.

Spandang · 03/04/2021 11:26

OP.

He’s not coming back.

I’ve lived with an addict.

They want to be in their own world.

You, your children, you’re an inconvenience to him. You come between him and his gambling, his drinking. You are a permanent reminder that he has failed and will fail.

He has left because he is in so far there’s no way of getting out. His ‘stress that’s going to cause a heart attack’ is because he is behind on bills, he’s probably taken out numerous high interest loans to cover this and he won’t face the truth.

The problem with gambling, with drinking...is just one more. Just one more spin. Just one more drink. Oh well I’ve already spent £100 I may as well spend £20 more. It must pay out soon. Today has to be my day.

The most damaging thing for everyone, is that he believes the lies he tells himself.

Look at the lies he’s telling you:
I’ve paid three months upfront and I can’t afford the rent

Well that may well be true given he has a CCJ. But I find it hard to believe he would secure a three month tenancy. A six or twelve month tenancy would be much more likely. If he’s moved somewhere as a lodger, they are highly unlikely to credit check, therefore it would be rent paid a month in advance. So he’s either lying about the timescale or he’s lying about the terms.

He has paid three months at the place he has taken so has nothing left over. However this is not what was said to me.
Do you know what makes you gain and lose money quickly? Gambling. You could win £800 one day and make decisions based on that. The next day you’re clearly lucky, so you keep going. Before you know it, you can’t meet the commitments you made yesterday.

DH thinks he supports as he takes the children but he has never been able to offer financial security.

In this sentence alone, his attitude is so apparent. I do you a favour by having your children. He doesn’t see them as something he’s responsible for. Most normal people with kids, who can’t keep a roof over their heads would move heaven and earth to earn more money.

Here he is, prepping you for your future; I’m going to be a part time dad that sees my kids every other weekend.

He keeps asking what I am working on? What am I doing to help the relationship?
This is deflection. He’s making you feel bad to deflect from the fact he’s done nothing.
What is he doing to help your relationship? Running away, abandoning his responsibilities, gambling away financial security and drinking himself into oblivion. He is not in a relationship with you, he is consumed by his own selfish behaviour.

He is accountable to our counsellor.
I’m afraid you’re lying to yourself here. I wholeheartedly endorse counselling, but the accountability only works if you want it to. If he wanted someone to hold him to account he wouldn’t have moved out. He’d have stayed and asked for your help. He’d have signed up to GamStop. He’d work night and day to pay off his gambling debts which I have no doubt he has.

You may be accountable to the counsellor because you own your shit, but he isn’t.

You know what he said when I said you spent £200 on a slots app? He said well I won money.

Ask him how much he spent and how much he won. Ask him where his winnings are. That lie will come crashing down. I have no doubt he does win, but I have every certainty he bet the whole lot again in the belief he’d win more.

OP. I’m sorry to be really blunt but, he’s lying to you. He believes his own lies. And you’re accepting them. For what? A man who won’t father his own children, won’t provide, won’t even pay the rent, doesn’t meet obligations, doesn’t take responsibility.

All the balls are in his court and to some extent you’ve put them there. Take them back, make your own choices and stop enabling this. Keep your boundaries high. This man isn’t going to build a life with you, with your children, he’s going to destroy it.

Theunamedcat · 03/04/2021 11:29

If only his name is on the tenancy UC won't pay anything for you because legally you have no right to stay there I would find somewhere ASAP if it was joint I would say change the claim and say its an untidy tenancy they would pay it then

MessAllOver · 03/04/2021 12:56

Don't tell your children anything right now. There's no need to. Instead, take action. Leave and create a safe and happy home for them with an unstressed mum who respects herself and insists that others do as well.

Don't pay a penny in rent... it's not your credit rating that's going down the tube. Save your money (and your family's) for your children.

Think ahead... By summer you could be safe in your own little place, your studies finished, looking forward to days out and Christmas with your children as your own little family unit without any faff and drama. Things can only get better and they could be really good for you.