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Upset about letter from neighbour, and angry at myself for telling DD

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SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 12:03

This is my first post, so I hope I am posting in the right place. I guess I'm asking AIBU for being this upset. I'll try to be as succinct as possible. Sorry if it's a bit long.

Quick bit of context. My DD (now 6) and I moved into this semi-detached house in November (rented). The house is 'attached' to another building which has been converted into 6 small apartments (also rentals, but with a different landlord). DD has only recently been back in school (I'm not a key worker - I'm studying for a Masters and start teacher training in September), so we've been in A LOT, homeschooling, following guidelines, etc etc.

Back in November, a few days after we had moved in, my mum came round for a cup of tea (I'm a single parent, and I'm in a bubble with my parents). We were talking in the sitting room. There was a knock on the door and a young woman, probably early twenties, was stood there looking a bit perplexed. She asked, 'do you live here? I thought this was an office'. This slightly perplexed me, because it’s clearly a house, but I was pleased to meet a neighbour so quickly and said that my daughter and I had just moved in, and briefly introduced myself and enquired in turn about her. She's from London, but studying for a medical degree at the University here. She then said she had heard talking, so loud that it 'was like it was just right outside my window'. 'Great', I thought...'thin walls'. However, my mum and I don't talk particularly loudly - and were just chatting in a very normal way. I felt like the young woman was waiting for me to apologise or offer to reduce the noise, but I just felt that I shouldn't. I'm generally a very accommodating person (sometimes too accommodating, I think) but felt that I shouldn't offer not to talk, at a normal level, in my own sitting room. It turns out she lives basically in one room, and works at her computer on the other side of the wall. I did, however, feel sympathy that she could hear noise, and that this was disturbing her. I know that the previous tenant here was a divorced man who wasn't home at a lot - and without children - so she was probably used to blissful silence.

Anyway, I have never seen her since. I've already established a really good relationship with the people in the house next to us (another semi-detached), but see little of the people in the flats to the other side. Yesterday morning, however, as I was leaving the house to take DD to school, I saw a letter had been posted. It was four pages of A4 and I quickly scanned it as I was in a rush, but my heart sank when I realised it was from the young woman, apparently at her wit's end, about the noise coming from our house. The letter included one which she had composed just after Christmas, and one she had written that morning. She said she had resisted sending the one at Christmas at first, but that she's now really struggling.

Apparently she hears lots of shouting and thudding, which stops her going to sleep (she said she goes to bed very early some days - between 6 and 7pm after working at her placement) , and that the noise also impacts on her ability to concentrate on her studies. I have obviously obsessed and obsessed about what she could be referring to. Occasionally, but not that frequently, my DD decides to launch herself from the sofa, or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds. As far as 'shouting' goes, often I do shout upstairs - 'Are you OK?' - if she's playing in her bedroom. Or I call her from the kitchen, ‘Dinner’s ready!’. Admittedly, I will often have shouted either of these things at around 6-7pm, shortly before DD’s bedtime (but sadly DURING the bed time of the woman next door). I've started to become extremely paranoid about the level of noise we produce, but I just can't really, rationally believe it's anything beyond a normal level for a family of our (small) size.

I DO have sympathy. She's on her own, in a different city, studying for what must be an incredibly difficult degree, and under a huge amount of pressure. None of this is helped by COVID and the accompanying restrictions. I've struggled massively myself and definitely empathise. But I also feel slightly aggrieved that she didn't just come and speak to me sooner (and more directly, unlike that first time when she came round), rather than send me this really rather long essay about how desperate the situation has been for her, and basically lying it all at my door.

I've asked if we can speak face to face (she gave me her number in her letter), and we're going to speak tomorrow. I feel like my approach should be that, 'while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do?’ Is this reasonable? It's so difficult...

What I'm most upset about, and angry at myself about, is that I STUPIDLY mentioned it my daughter. I am an absolute idiot. In the car I was in a bit of shock after receiving the letter, and feeling awful and weird, and gently told my daughter that we might need to be careful to keep the noise down otherwise we might upset the neighbours. She knew I had a letter in my hand, and put two and two together. Again, STUPIDLY, on my part, she overheard me mentioning it to a close friend near the school gates.

Sorry for all this rambling. But to finish - DD is a sensitive thing, and on our previous street, where we lived since she was born, we were surrounded by a huge array of really lovely neighbours. She's always associated 'neighbours' with friendly, almost family-like people. This has shaken her a bit and she keeps asking about our neighbour, and saying she feels 'bad and sad' about the letter. She even started whispering yesterday evening when we were in the sitting room, fearful that she might be being too noisy. I regret letting her know about this so, so, so much - it was an utterly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. So I guess I also would love any advice on how to repair the damage done here.

Sorry again for the rambling. Well done, and thanks, if you made it to the end.

OP posts:
GreenestValley · 18/03/2021 12:09

I think you're over worrying about mentioning it to your daughter. There's no real harm in her being aware and a tiny bit more considerate. You could use it as an opportunity to talk about how other people can sometimes hear a bit of noise so we should be careful about thumping around too much. Don't make it a big deal, she'll likely forget in a few days.

RE your neighbour, agree you shouldn't need to change a thing. It does sound frustrating for her but you aren't living life at a high volume. It sounds like a structural thing. I guess I'd say you can ensure no unnecessary extra noise, but you can't stop holding conversations in your own house.

GreenestValley · 18/03/2021 12:10

Also why is the NDN going to bed at 6-7pm? Did I miss something?

Potterythrowdown · 18/03/2021 12:11

Normal family noise is to be expected, it's all part and parcel of living with adjoining walls. You don't sound like you're making excessive noise so I'd just crack on. Tell her to get some ear plugs.

I'd probably just tell DD that there was a mistake and the letter was for the wrong house if she's so worried.

DuggeeHugPlease · 18/03/2021 12:12

While you can have sympathy for your neighbour and try to be more mindful of noise I'm not sure there's much you can really do. 6-7pm isn't a usual bedtime for an adult and certainly not an antisocial time for normal household noise.
If you were playing music loudly at 10pm I'd say she has a point but really can't see what you can do here.

Shoxfordian · 18/03/2021 12:12

It doesn’t sound like you’re doing anything too noisy although maybe discourage the climbing up the doors from your dd.

DuggeeHugPlease · 18/03/2021 12:14

Thinking about it my neighbours occasionally make noise eg DIY at 6-8 pm which coincides with kids bedtime but I wouldn't dream of mentioning it. I recognise that's a convenient time for them after work and part and parcel of normal life.

Redglitter · 18/03/2021 12:14

It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. It amazes me the number of people who live in a flat & don't seem.to realise that you're going to have elements of noise from other people.

For her to.complain that you're preventing her from sleeping when she goes to bed so early is ridiculous.

while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do Is this reasonable

I think that's the perfect attitude to take. If it's just 'general living noises' she's hearing thats unfortunate but you can't change it.

As pp said I think you're over thinking the conversation with your daughter. Just reassure her you & she have done nothing wrong & tomorrow if necessary tell her you've spoken to your neighbour & it's fine.

Biffbaff · 18/03/2021 12:15

You and your daughter sound so lovely. That other lady needs to move, she sounds awful.

GabriellaMontez · 18/03/2021 12:15

Many houses have thin walls. I've often been able to hear neighbours voices, Hoover, toilet flushing etc

Your neighbour sounds unrealistic. Her rambling letter is bizarre.

I'd try and brush it off to your daughter. Dont feed it. Tell her you will continue to be considerate as you always try to be. And will have a chat with the neighbour to remind her that you have a normal life to lead too.

ConstanceGracy · 18/03/2021 12:16

@GreenestValley

Also why is the NDN going to bed at 6-7pm? Did I miss something?
Op said neighbour was on a medical placement so must be to do with shift pattern.
bumpertobumper · 18/03/2021 12:17

It sounds like your neighbour is overreacting, and you are being reasonable in your response to her.

In terms of your dd, she will take her cue from you about how to react. It sounds like the letter shook you up, you say yourself that you are obsessing about it. It is not that you told her that is the issue, it's that she can see and feel from the impact that's it's had on you that is is a 'big deal'.
I know it is easy to say just calm down, and very hard to do when you are feeling anxious about something. The best way to make this situation ok for your daughter is for it to be ok for you. Tell and show her that you can carry on a normal life, with some reasonable adjustments like no jumping about after 7pm... ( which is still very early).
You say she is sensitive, but it sounds like you are too. When you are worrying try to ground yourself, notice your body, take a few deep breaths and find your rational adult response.

So to answer your question, and I mean this with kind intention, you are being unreasonable to be so upset with yourself about telling your daughter what's going on with the neighbour. You can make it ok by being ok with it SmileThanks

VivaLeBeaver · 18/03/2021 12:18

Deep down your neighbour must realise she’s being unreasonable. She can’t expect people to stop normal living noise. You’re not blasting music, haven’t got the tv up full blast, not having non stop screaming rows.

She can’t seriously expect people to stop talking at normal levels at any time never mind 7pm.

PerfectPenquins · 18/03/2021 12:19

The world does not revolve around her studies and routine, she should have learnt that by her age. I would your sorry she's struggling so much but you are no making excessive noise. She wouldn't get anywhere with a noise complaint to the council that's for sure. I would ask for no more notes through the door now youve got each others numbers. Tell your daughter the silly neighbor got the wrong address and laugh it off.

ethelredonagoodday · 18/03/2021 12:19

I agree with the other posters OP, I don't think you can do much more. I also think your neighbour needs to maybe be a bit more realistic. If she's working shifts on placement and is going to bed at unusual times, then perhaps she needs to get some earplugs.
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Mylittlepony374 · 18/03/2021 12:19

4 page letter is excessive by her. It's a big jump I know but I'd be thinking perhaps she's just not coping in general (med school is tough, she's away from home etc) and if her baseline 'I'm ok' is precarious then maybe small amounts of normal noise is really affecting her.
Still, it's not your fault. I'd be as kind as possible about saying the level of noise in your house is normal and maybe she needs to consider a detached residence if she needs perfect quiet?

ConstanceGracy · 18/03/2021 12:19

Just say to her what you’ve said it, you can’t really do more than that although I would stop your dd from climbing things and maybe try not to shout if the walls are that thin and just go up and check instead .
Annoying but if the walls are thin then it can’t be helped any other way .
Could be that she’s like me and has Misophonia or some other noise insensitivity which means even small noises are distracting and unbearable which if that’s the case then she’s in trouble as only thing that solved it for me was to move !

TokyoSushi · 18/03/2021 12:20

We had this. We were the 'noisy family' but unfortunately, our neighbour was completely deranged. My DC were 2 and 4 at the time and I felt absolutely awful in my own home, creeping about and whispering in the garden so I know exactly how you feel. It really affected my mental health and I hated living like that, it took 3 years but we eventually moved to a detached house and I was so much happier.

No advice for you really, but you sound like you're handling it really well. Just solidarity that I know exactly how you feel and it really is awful.

Seeline · 18/03/2021 12:20

IF your NDN lives in a flat, how likely is it that at least some of the noise she is hearing is coming from other flats in her block rather than your property?

It does not sound as though you are being unreasonably noisy. I think everyone has to accept that most people are active in their properties between at the very least 7am to 10pm and that normal everyday activities generate noise. I would also imagine that a 6yo, with no siblings is unlikely to be generating unacceptable levels of noise. The occasional shout, bump, thud, running upstairs etc is perfectly acceptable!

I think your neighbour needs to invest in a decent pair of earphones/ear plugs.

ConstanceGracy · 18/03/2021 12:20

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FireBelliedToad · 18/03/2021 12:20

That sounds strange. Is the noise definitely coming from you or from somewhere else? We had neighbours underneath complaining about a noise from our flat. We had people out, replaced things etc. Finally they complained again - we’d just walked into the building after a 2 week holiday. Turns out it was the neighbours across and down one.

Honeybobbin · 18/03/2021 12:21

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ScottishStottie · 18/03/2021 12:22

Its not a bad thing to teach your daughter to be considerate of others, but you need to frame it within reasonable behaviour. So yes chatting at normal level is fine, but jumping off doorframes (??) Is not ok behaviour. I would also avoid shouting up and down the stairs to eachother, but thats a pet hate of mine anyway so may be biased.

GibberAwayGranny · 18/03/2021 12:22

Noise is subjective. One person can live next to train tracks or under a flight path for another person this would be hell and something they can never get used to.

Your ndn is being overly sensitive.

Your approach should be that you apologise she feels you make a lot of noise, this is just normal household noise and if she feels that it is excessive then she can report you to the council who will come out and tell her she is being ridiculous.

I used to work at the council and our section was next to environmental health. They got a lot of complaints from either single people or older people about their neighbours who were just families, not playing loud music till 2am, not playing drums until midnight, no dog barking 20 hours a day, just normal noise generated by families. There was nothing that the council could do. It wasn't deemed excessive.

If she is that bothered about noise she needs noise cancelling headphones for the day time and ear plugs to sleep.

Stop tiptoeing round your own home you are not doing anything wrong. Let her report you if she is that bothered, the council will decide if you are making too much noise and I doubt that you are. Don't worry that you are in rented accommodation.

TakeYourFinalPosition · 18/03/2021 12:22

If it's normal noise, there's not a lot that you can do...

climb to the top of the door frame and drop down

But that sounds really weird, unless I've lived a weird life. I've never known a 6-year-old, or any other child, climb a door frame to jump off.

Maybe keep an active note of what you're both doing throughout a few days and then see if it is noisier than you thought, or if it's normal?

The walls must be very thin if she heard your conversation with your mum, and you're not loud people... I have a friend who talks so loudly that I'm pretty sure the whole street could hear! It's unfortunate for everyone that the walls are so rubbish, but you can't not talk so that she can't hear you.

I live in a flat, but thankfully the only noise we hear are the poorly installed tumble dryer and our neighbours treadmill, both of which are annoying but not critical. It might drive me slightly insane if we could hear everything, but there's little you can do about it if you're only making normal household noise.

toomuchtooold · 18/03/2021 12:22

You're not unreasonable - the amount of noise you're making isn't excessive by the sound of it, and it's not late either. I think the onus is on her to try and find a solution herself - and there are some quite good solutions. Earplugs for nighttime, and noise cancelling headphones for the daytime. Job done.

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