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Upset about letter from neighbour, and angry at myself for telling DD

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SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 12:03

This is my first post, so I hope I am posting in the right place. I guess I'm asking AIBU for being this upset. I'll try to be as succinct as possible. Sorry if it's a bit long.

Quick bit of context. My DD (now 6) and I moved into this semi-detached house in November (rented). The house is 'attached' to another building which has been converted into 6 small apartments (also rentals, but with a different landlord). DD has only recently been back in school (I'm not a key worker - I'm studying for a Masters and start teacher training in September), so we've been in A LOT, homeschooling, following guidelines, etc etc.

Back in November, a few days after we had moved in, my mum came round for a cup of tea (I'm a single parent, and I'm in a bubble with my parents). We were talking in the sitting room. There was a knock on the door and a young woman, probably early twenties, was stood there looking a bit perplexed. She asked, 'do you live here? I thought this was an office'. This slightly perplexed me, because it’s clearly a house, but I was pleased to meet a neighbour so quickly and said that my daughter and I had just moved in, and briefly introduced myself and enquired in turn about her. She's from London, but studying for a medical degree at the University here. She then said she had heard talking, so loud that it 'was like it was just right outside my window'. 'Great', I thought...'thin walls'. However, my mum and I don't talk particularly loudly - and were just chatting in a very normal way. I felt like the young woman was waiting for me to apologise or offer to reduce the noise, but I just felt that I shouldn't. I'm generally a very accommodating person (sometimes too accommodating, I think) but felt that I shouldn't offer not to talk, at a normal level, in my own sitting room. It turns out she lives basically in one room, and works at her computer on the other side of the wall. I did, however, feel sympathy that she could hear noise, and that this was disturbing her. I know that the previous tenant here was a divorced man who wasn't home at a lot - and without children - so she was probably used to blissful silence.

Anyway, I have never seen her since. I've already established a really good relationship with the people in the house next to us (another semi-detached), but see little of the people in the flats to the other side. Yesterday morning, however, as I was leaving the house to take DD to school, I saw a letter had been posted. It was four pages of A4 and I quickly scanned it as I was in a rush, but my heart sank when I realised it was from the young woman, apparently at her wit's end, about the noise coming from our house. The letter included one which she had composed just after Christmas, and one she had written that morning. She said she had resisted sending the one at Christmas at first, but that she's now really struggling.

Apparently she hears lots of shouting and thudding, which stops her going to sleep (she said she goes to bed very early some days - between 6 and 7pm after working at her placement) , and that the noise also impacts on her ability to concentrate on her studies. I have obviously obsessed and obsessed about what she could be referring to. Occasionally, but not that frequently, my DD decides to launch herself from the sofa, or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds. As far as 'shouting' goes, often I do shout upstairs - 'Are you OK?' - if she's playing in her bedroom. Or I call her from the kitchen, ‘Dinner’s ready!’. Admittedly, I will often have shouted either of these things at around 6-7pm, shortly before DD’s bedtime (but sadly DURING the bed time of the woman next door). I've started to become extremely paranoid about the level of noise we produce, but I just can't really, rationally believe it's anything beyond a normal level for a family of our (small) size.

I DO have sympathy. She's on her own, in a different city, studying for what must be an incredibly difficult degree, and under a huge amount of pressure. None of this is helped by COVID and the accompanying restrictions. I've struggled massively myself and definitely empathise. But I also feel slightly aggrieved that she didn't just come and speak to me sooner (and more directly, unlike that first time when she came round), rather than send me this really rather long essay about how desperate the situation has been for her, and basically lying it all at my door.

I've asked if we can speak face to face (she gave me her number in her letter), and we're going to speak tomorrow. I feel like my approach should be that, 'while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do?’ Is this reasonable? It's so difficult...

What I'm most upset about, and angry at myself about, is that I STUPIDLY mentioned it my daughter. I am an absolute idiot. In the car I was in a bit of shock after receiving the letter, and feeling awful and weird, and gently told my daughter that we might need to be careful to keep the noise down otherwise we might upset the neighbours. She knew I had a letter in my hand, and put two and two together. Again, STUPIDLY, on my part, she overheard me mentioning it to a close friend near the school gates.

Sorry for all this rambling. But to finish - DD is a sensitive thing, and on our previous street, where we lived since she was born, we were surrounded by a huge array of really lovely neighbours. She's always associated 'neighbours' with friendly, almost family-like people. This has shaken her a bit and she keeps asking about our neighbour, and saying she feels 'bad and sad' about the letter. She even started whispering yesterday evening when we were in the sitting room, fearful that she might be being too noisy. I regret letting her know about this so, so, so much - it was an utterly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. So I guess I also would love any advice on how to repair the damage done here.

Sorry again for the rambling. Well done, and thanks, if you made it to the end.

OP posts:
flobberdobberrr · 18/03/2021 13:09

We are a family of 6. She's lucky she doesn't live next to us. Siblings are constantly shouting at each other 😅

IntermittentParps · 18/03/2021 13:10

I do think your DD should learn (as a general principle, not just so as not to annoy this NDN) that climbing, launching herself off things etc is for outdoors.
But I think your NDN is being a bit obsessive (4 pages?) and I don't think you should say to her that you're looking to change your DD's behaviour. I suspect if you did she'd take it upon herself to monitor it and would be turning up/writing any time she heard a noise at all.

Maybe 'call' more rather than 'shouting' (although I don't know what your personal line is on when one becomes the other!) But I don't really think shouting out 'Are you OK?' etc is a problem or anything beyond normal household noise.

The NDN works the kind of hours where if it were me I'd use ear plugs. I think that's more reasonable than expecting others to fit around her shifts.

Beautiful3 · 18/03/2021 13:10

Just carry on as normal and tell your daughter that everything's fine. If you get anymore letters, and she sees you read them, just say the lady next door is a bit strange, just ignore her.

ilovesooty · 18/03/2021 13:11

@Loopyloututu2

Your neighbour sounds strange and neurotic. Are there possibly mh issues involved? Wh9 the hell goes to bed at 6-7pm? Sorry, that’s not your problem!

I wouldn’t have said anything to your dd, she’s a little kid - she doesn’t need to know or worry about this.
I wouldn’t even meet with her tbh. I’d just say “look, there are just two of us making minimal noise. I’m sorry if we disturb you it’s not our intention but you cannot expect us to tiptoe around in our own house. You will have to look into soundproofing.” Be polite but do not comment to anything. I’m afraid you may need to get a bit of backbone OP.

I agree. You sound perfectly normal to me. Your neighbour is unreasonable.

And as for the poster suggesting apologising and buying her a box of chocolates - no fucking way.

flobberdobberrr · 18/03/2021 13:11

@victoriaspongecake don't be ridiculous.

A 7 year old child occasionally doing these things in there own home isn't a crime.

My kids love kareoke and singing. That would cause more noise. Alexa is always on and they fall back onto the sofa with a thud.

Kids are kids. Very occasionally. In the perimeters of their own home.

Bet you're fun at parties.

Weirdfan · 18/03/2021 13:13

Oh and I wouldn't necessarily tell her about the changes as if she thinks you are easy to influence she might push harder.

Totally agree with this, by all means make changes for your own peace of mind but if you tell her she will just take it that she's right and you are excessively noisy.

flobberdobberrr · 18/03/2021 13:14

For the parent police gasping about launching onto sofas.
OP did not say she encourages it at all. For all you know she tells DD not to.

Child might be just turned 7 and she said occasionally, not frequently.

Now run along back to your perfect children 👋

SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 13:14

Yes @SingToTheSky, there is an abseiling club near us and we'll definitely be going!

And great suggestions there, @Cattitudes, thank you.

OP posts:
Wondermule · 18/03/2021 13:15

Oh please! If your daughter is upset that the neighbour said she was being noisy, then she really needs to work on her resilience. Why are the kids on this website so sensitive?!

forestsmurf · 18/03/2021 13:16

@SheikahSlate

Wow, thank you everyone for these really supportive and reassuring responses. There's been so many already, so I'm sorry that I'm not responding individually.

What I'm gathering is that we're not doing anything wrong, but that there wouldn't be any harm in reducing the room-to-room shouting in the early evening, and that it would certainly be a good idea to dissuade my daughter from climbing the door frame. A couple of people have mentioned how weird this is. She loves climbing (she even abseils - complete with rope and harness - down the trees in my parents' garden. She's my dad's protege in this respect). She occasionally shimmies herself up to the top of a door frame - one foot on either side of the frame kind of thing - and leaps off. This will be a no-no going forward, and probably should have been before now, tbh, I admit.

Honestly, thanks again everyone.

A particular mention to @bumpertobumper - your advice really hit home.

My kids both climb the door frames just have you described. Ds (6) also likes to grip dangling from the top frame and swing to the next door frame, drives me mad , luckily we are detached as I imagine we wouldn't be very quiet neighbours!!
OhWhyNot · 18/03/2021 13:16

Four paged letter of A4 paper

I don’t think there problem is you and your daughter making a lot of noise it’s her and her struggles four pages that’s quite an attack on anyone to revive so much detail of what they are doing wrong

I would be upset too. Unfortunately walls are thin in some houses but it doesn’t sound like you are making anymore noise than is expected of a parent and child. Just keep reassuring your daughter that she doesn’t need to whisper and explain when people are stressed sometimes they are over sensitive

Your neighbour needs to deal with her own stress not put it on you

SchadenfreudePersonified · 18/03/2021 13:17

I think she's at her wit's end with her medical training and shifts etc - however this isn't your responsibility, and TBH if she can't cope with stress medicine might not be the best career for her.

I sympathise with her - I'm very sensitive to noise myself - but (other than possibly the doorframe acrobatics) you aren't being unreasonable.

Poor girl , and poor you! She's living on her last nerve and you and your DD are just trying to have a normal life.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 18/03/2021 13:18

BTW - my kids were doorframe monkeys, too - I feel everyone's pain here .

donquixotedelamancha · 18/03/2021 13:19

But that sounds really weird, unless I've lived a weird life. I've never known a 6-year-old, or any other child, climb a door frame to jump off.

My two girls (and most of their mates) will climb and jump off anything. My eldest would cheerfully rest like a bat half the time. I've never had anyone raise an eyebrow- I think you may have had a slightly sheltered life.

victoriaspongecake · 18/03/2021 13:20

@victoriaspongecake don't be ridiculous.

A 7 year old child occasionally doing these things in there own home isn't a crime.

My kids love kareoke and singing. That would cause more noise. Alexa is always on and they fall back onto the sofa with a thud.

Kids are kids. Very occasionally. In the perimeters of their own home.

Bet you're fun at parties.

Yes kids will be kids. But not annoying neighbours when you live in a flat and you know the walls are thin.
It’s called respect.
And good parenting.

crystalcherry87 · 18/03/2021 13:20

Don't give in to her. She sounds like she's going to start being very difficult. A family member had a next door neighbour who used to ring 101 every time they got their hoover out. The council came out eventually and listened and they said the noise was reasonable and she was found to be lying about other noises. The police were involved in the end and neighbour was given a warning.

shockthemonkey · 18/03/2021 13:22

I think you've handled this very well - don't be angry at yourself for telling your DD. On the contrary I think it's best to be open about these things even with the very young. I also like the way your daughter has reacted to it - mild concern and a slight adjustment of her behaviour.

It's all good.

MsTSwift · 18/03/2021 13:22

You need to be the sensible adult here as your dd will follow your cue and the neighbour sounds neurotic and frankly unwell. If you start over thinking and catastrophising as she is doing it could escalate.

Don’t apologise or creep around or pander. The above response is spot on - this is normal family noise we will minimise where possible but no more. This is her issue that she is pushing onto you.

Incremental · 18/03/2021 13:24

If the non-doorframe-jumping and being considerate around 6-7pm don't help, NDN could ask her landlord to install soundproofing along the shared wall.

This involves constructing a timber frame inside the existing wall with a gap in between the two, attaching two layers of soundproofed plasterboard, and sealing all gaps with acoustic sealant. The spaces in the frame can be insulated, as long as there's a backing to maintain the space between the walls. The space and the mass inhibit the transmission of the two types of noise - shouting/music etc. and impact. A competent DIYer could do this.

Berthatydfil · 18/03/2021 13:24

She is living in a flat, unfortunately noise from neighbouring properties isn’t unusual. The question to ask is it an unreasonable amount of noise or during unreasonable times of day.
One more question is do you have carpets or hard floors ? Hard floors do transmit a lot of noise so if you don’t I think you could get a few rugs to absorb it.
From what you have said I don’t think that overall you are being unreasonable however the climbing the doors frames and jumping down is a bit unusual and should be stopped together with other deliberate climbing jumping and thudding.
See if there is a climbing or bouldering club nearby for your dd to join and she can enjoy the activity safety and in an appropriate place.

If the rest of it is normal household noise even the odd shouting isn’t abnormal and as long as it isn’t happening very early or very late then I think she needs to accept it.

She chooses to go to bed at 6 or 7 that is very very early and it’s unreasonable to expect silence from you after that time. Even in a detached house there would be some noise from outside like cars, children playing, lawn mowing etc during the day and evening up to 8 or 9 or later particularly in the spring and summer as the evenings get lighter.

She needs to consider rearranging her rooms getting a white noise machine or similar or if all else fails she needs to accept flat living isn’t for her.

Advic3Pl3as3 · 18/03/2021 13:24

I am autistic and cannot bear repetitive, ongoing loud noise or children making noise/screaming (I don’t hate children, just their noise). My next door neighbours are lovely but so noisy (not massively, probably normal for normal people, just not me). I have never complained to them though. Instead I have invested in noise cancelling headphones or I just get in the shower (my “calm/safe” place) when it becomes too overwhelming.

Maybe you could suggest she gets some noise cancelling headphones? They are really good.

Bjarnum · 18/03/2021 13:26

Perhaps you could put a TV on in your room then ask her if you can go next door so you can see how clearly you can hear it. If you can't, keep adjusting the volume till you can. It's possible it is in her mind - or not you at all! Our son had a noise issue with his neighbours and installed sound insulation. It was amazing the difference it made. But it was horrendously expensive!

Ineedaneasteregg · 18/03/2021 13:26

Most dc I know have been doing joe wicks over lockdown, enjoy just dance on the games system, practice a musical instrument and if they have a sibling do some fighting with them ( even if only verbal)

This lady is very lucky she lives beside one very quiet sounding family.
I agree that it sounds as though some stress about her life has been displaced onto how much noise your family makes.
Her issues are her own, you don't need to take ownership of them.

BarryTheKestrel · 18/03/2021 13:27

We have noisy neighbours, and have almost become noiser as a result. However unless its the 10.45pm 3 wall bangs of their middle son saying goodnight (why he can't just say it i don't know) , I don't notice it any more unless it's just me at home.

My neighbour on the other side used to complain about the noise from the previous tenants children but mine she doesn't seem to have a problem with.

It sounds like your neighbour has an unhealthy focus on you. You aren't doing anything wrong making normal family noise. If she doesn't want any neighbour noise at all, she shouldn't live in an attached property, or a flat.

HollowTalk · 18/03/2021 13:28

I'm trying to work out what shift pattern would involve going to bed at 6 pm. If she's on days then she would've only just come home. If she's on nights she would've gone to bed before that. That on its own sounds very odd.

I think you should have said "But we were only speaking as loudly as you and I are now" - she'd have to see that's reasonable, wouldn't she? I wonder whether she's picking up on other noises within her own house.