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Upset about letter from neighbour, and angry at myself for telling DD

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SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 12:03

This is my first post, so I hope I am posting in the right place. I guess I'm asking AIBU for being this upset. I'll try to be as succinct as possible. Sorry if it's a bit long.

Quick bit of context. My DD (now 6) and I moved into this semi-detached house in November (rented). The house is 'attached' to another building which has been converted into 6 small apartments (also rentals, but with a different landlord). DD has only recently been back in school (I'm not a key worker - I'm studying for a Masters and start teacher training in September), so we've been in A LOT, homeschooling, following guidelines, etc etc.

Back in November, a few days after we had moved in, my mum came round for a cup of tea (I'm a single parent, and I'm in a bubble with my parents). We were talking in the sitting room. There was a knock on the door and a young woman, probably early twenties, was stood there looking a bit perplexed. She asked, 'do you live here? I thought this was an office'. This slightly perplexed me, because it’s clearly a house, but I was pleased to meet a neighbour so quickly and said that my daughter and I had just moved in, and briefly introduced myself and enquired in turn about her. She's from London, but studying for a medical degree at the University here. She then said she had heard talking, so loud that it 'was like it was just right outside my window'. 'Great', I thought...'thin walls'. However, my mum and I don't talk particularly loudly - and were just chatting in a very normal way. I felt like the young woman was waiting for me to apologise or offer to reduce the noise, but I just felt that I shouldn't. I'm generally a very accommodating person (sometimes too accommodating, I think) but felt that I shouldn't offer not to talk, at a normal level, in my own sitting room. It turns out she lives basically in one room, and works at her computer on the other side of the wall. I did, however, feel sympathy that she could hear noise, and that this was disturbing her. I know that the previous tenant here was a divorced man who wasn't home at a lot - and without children - so she was probably used to blissful silence.

Anyway, I have never seen her since. I've already established a really good relationship with the people in the house next to us (another semi-detached), but see little of the people in the flats to the other side. Yesterday morning, however, as I was leaving the house to take DD to school, I saw a letter had been posted. It was four pages of A4 and I quickly scanned it as I was in a rush, but my heart sank when I realised it was from the young woman, apparently at her wit's end, about the noise coming from our house. The letter included one which she had composed just after Christmas, and one she had written that morning. She said she had resisted sending the one at Christmas at first, but that she's now really struggling.

Apparently she hears lots of shouting and thudding, which stops her going to sleep (she said she goes to bed very early some days - between 6 and 7pm after working at her placement) , and that the noise also impacts on her ability to concentrate on her studies. I have obviously obsessed and obsessed about what she could be referring to. Occasionally, but not that frequently, my DD decides to launch herself from the sofa, or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds. As far as 'shouting' goes, often I do shout upstairs - 'Are you OK?' - if she's playing in her bedroom. Or I call her from the kitchen, ‘Dinner’s ready!’. Admittedly, I will often have shouted either of these things at around 6-7pm, shortly before DD’s bedtime (but sadly DURING the bed time of the woman next door). I've started to become extremely paranoid about the level of noise we produce, but I just can't really, rationally believe it's anything beyond a normal level for a family of our (small) size.

I DO have sympathy. She's on her own, in a different city, studying for what must be an incredibly difficult degree, and under a huge amount of pressure. None of this is helped by COVID and the accompanying restrictions. I've struggled massively myself and definitely empathise. But I also feel slightly aggrieved that she didn't just come and speak to me sooner (and more directly, unlike that first time when she came round), rather than send me this really rather long essay about how desperate the situation has been for her, and basically lying it all at my door.

I've asked if we can speak face to face (she gave me her number in her letter), and we're going to speak tomorrow. I feel like my approach should be that, 'while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do?’ Is this reasonable? It's so difficult...

What I'm most upset about, and angry at myself about, is that I STUPIDLY mentioned it my daughter. I am an absolute idiot. In the car I was in a bit of shock after receiving the letter, and feeling awful and weird, and gently told my daughter that we might need to be careful to keep the noise down otherwise we might upset the neighbours. She knew I had a letter in my hand, and put two and two together. Again, STUPIDLY, on my part, she overheard me mentioning it to a close friend near the school gates.

Sorry for all this rambling. But to finish - DD is a sensitive thing, and on our previous street, where we lived since she was born, we were surrounded by a huge array of really lovely neighbours. She's always associated 'neighbours' with friendly, almost family-like people. This has shaken her a bit and she keeps asking about our neighbour, and saying she feels 'bad and sad' about the letter. She even started whispering yesterday evening when we were in the sitting room, fearful that she might be being too noisy. I regret letting her know about this so, so, so much - it was an utterly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. So I guess I also would love any advice on how to repair the damage done here.

Sorry again for the rambling. Well done, and thanks, if you made it to the end.

OP posts:
Doingtheboxerbeat · 19/03/2021 19:31

Four pages sounds like she accidentally sent you her essay Grin, or she is ever so slightly neurotic.

whataboutbob · 19/03/2021 20:50

Well handled. FWIW you sound very well balanced and very articulate, which I am sure has helped you manage this situation.

Weirdfan · 19/03/2021 21:06

Perfectly handled OP, well done! I suspect it would have been a different conversation if you hadn't been calm and unapologetic so I'm really glad the thread helped you go in with the right approach. Sounds like you carried it off better than I probably would have managed too, impressive Smile

SheikahSlate · 19/03/2021 21:10

@RealisticSketch My daughter's fine now, thanks! I was definitely being a bit neurotic about how much 'damage' I might have caused her...

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SheikahSlate · 19/03/2021 21:11

Thanks @Weirdfan @whataboutbob, and everyone else too.

Mumsnet is rather good isn't it!

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Flowers24 · 19/03/2021 21:17

The girl next door is being unreasonable, she really goes to bed by 7pm?! Sorry but you can't stop normal family noise and like you say it's just the 2 of you so I can't see how It can be that bad !
Don't feel bad about telling your dd I'm sure she won't think about it that much and will be thinking of something else in a few days.
Find it odd this lady wrote 4 pages ?! Why not come back for a friendly chat first?!

winterchills · 19/03/2021 21:30

Hopefully you can have a good chat tomorrow. It sounds like she's being ridiculous but obviously we don't hear the noise. Do you know which room of yours backs on to hers so you could make sure you lower the noise in that particular room?

Worriedmummy82 · 19/03/2021 21:39

I'd think of it from another angle. You live in a house with terrible noise insulation next to student housing. At present students are very restricted by Covid rules. That will not be the case forever. I'd be planning a move now to escape the inevitable all night parties next to your daughter's bedroom.

NotAPanda · 19/03/2021 21:52

With this level of sanity should your neighbour even be a medical student... god save her future patients

Saltyslug · 19/03/2021 21:53

It’s healthy for your DD to know and important you both modify your behaviour to a reasonable extent. It’s positive your neighbour spoke up and how you deal with it and build bridges will be a life lesson to her

Saltyslug · 19/03/2021 21:53

Your DD

OhWhyNot · 19/03/2021 22:09

Glad things have worked out

Namechange1991x · 19/03/2021 22:16

I'm sorry you are having this problem, neither you or your daughter are doing anything wrong. Unfortunately there will always be people like your neighbour. Sounds like she has her own issues. Would you consider moving? I've lived next to horrible neighbours and had to move for my own sanity. I feel for you. Please don't think you are doing anything wrong in living your life normally.

SheikahSlate · 19/03/2021 22:16

@Worriedmummy82

I'd think of it from another angle. You live in a house with terrible noise insulation next to student housing. At present students are very restricted by Covid rules. That will not be the case forever. I'd be planning a move now to escape the inevitable all night parties next to your daughter's bedroom.
It's an excellent point, but thankfully I'm pretty sure, based on my initial inquiries, and from what I've seen of the other residents, it's not a 'student' block per se (it's certainly not a 'studenty' area...god forbid!) I think this young woman is living in a quite a nice little pad, considering she's a student.
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SausageBeanz · 19/03/2021 22:52

It does sound as if the woman is frazzled trying to home study for exams and actually, when you can hear your neighbours (which for some people is constantly) doing 'everyday things' it really wears you down. When you're trying to concentrate very hard during this, it becomes even worse.

Take it from someone who has a neighbour above that likes to thud about till 2am because they're furloughed, and unable to appreciate other people are still working. I mean, they also get up several times per night in addition to that (presumably to pee or something - a perfectly normal everyday activity). It's not really the issue, the issue is their bedrooms above ours so every time they do it they thunder across the ceiling and wake us up. Every. Single. Time. Earbuds are utterly useless and ended up in extremely sore ears.

You can't complain about it of course. But nonetheless, when you have M.E which causes bone-crushing exhaustion, being woken several times per night leaves you so poorly you want to die. I took to sleeping in the day whenever I could after work. That didn't work either cause that's the time they REALLY get busy. And I mean when I'm asleep from exhaustion, someone shaking me can't even wake me up, so it travels LOUD. So folk can't complain, but in my case it left me crying in bed that because I was so poorly from exhaustion I genuinely wanted to die. My studies have gone to shit - no way can I do them at the moment with barely any rest. Not everyone can afford to move to a detached house in the middle of nowhere as has been the suggestion on similar threads.

It's nice you were considerate of the fact she could be under stress and behaving oddly. The 4 page letter was rather over the top.. putting it lightly. I guess some people try to keep a lid on it for neighbourly relations until they crack.

Whilst you may not be doing anything wrong it's also nice to simply be considerate if someone is struggling. Nothing wrong with quietening things down a bit.

You don't sound like a bad neighbour at all. But maybe where you can, try to lighten the noise, instead of focusing on stopping it.

'climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds'

This though.. this isn't normal everyday behaviour or noise. Besides the fact it's disturbing your neighbour, this could easily cause an injury so I'm sure you can tell your DD to pack that one in.

SallSall · 19/03/2021 23:21

if the other lady is a light sleeper and needs to sleep by 7pm then she needs some earplugs to stop noise. I use these in hotel rooms etc

ChronicallyCurious · 19/03/2021 23:25

Tbh I would have ignored it or just posted the letter back

NoseinBook3 · 19/03/2021 23:43

Be careful OP. Sometimes when you give an inch they take a mile. I just have an odd feeling about it and I don’t know why but I’m glad it went well.

sneakysnoopysniper · 20/03/2021 02:34

I had an elderly underneath neighbor who was very sensitive to noise. She used to complain about normal household noise after 10 pm such as walking about the flat, opening cupboard doors, boiling a kettle, flushing the toilet etc, The said that she "could not settle down" until she heard me go to bed as she was afraid I was going to make noise. Unfortunately for her I am a night own and rarely to go bed before 1 am,

She complained to the management committee (it was a housing co-operative) and told sorry but there is nothing we can do. These are just lifestyle differences and we cannot tell tenants what time to go to bed if they are not breaking their lease.

If your neighbor is a single occupant its upto her to take precautions. She can use ear plugs, use white noise, or play music to cover the everyday noise your household makes. You cannot be expected to creep about like mice.

2021namechanges · 20/03/2021 19:10

While she may have been “having a moment” when she posted the letter. Remember she also came to your door.
In future - steer well clear I’d say.

year5teacher · 20/03/2021 19:33

We used to have a family above us and the little boy seemed to play a game of “climb to the top of a bunk bed and repeatedly fling himself off” 😂 we also heard the dad chasing him around and both laughing hysterically. I miss it! They were lovely sounds (I am maybe more sympathetic to the noise of kids playing than others!)
This happened when I was at placement from 7-6:30 every day and then working in the evenings too. You are NOT doing anything wrong. How this woman expects you to be quiet because she’s going to bed at SIX PM is beyond me.

RealisticSketch · 21/03/2021 14:40

[quote SheikahSlate]@RealisticSketch My daughter's fine now, thanks! I was definitely being a bit neurotic about how much 'damage' I might have caused her...[/quote]
Oh good. And if mummy had a chat and sorted out neighbourly relations that's a good example of diplomacy for her too. 😊

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