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Upset about letter from neighbour, and angry at myself for telling DD

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SheikahSlate · 18/03/2021 12:03

This is my first post, so I hope I am posting in the right place. I guess I'm asking AIBU for being this upset. I'll try to be as succinct as possible. Sorry if it's a bit long.

Quick bit of context. My DD (now 6) and I moved into this semi-detached house in November (rented). The house is 'attached' to another building which has been converted into 6 small apartments (also rentals, but with a different landlord). DD has only recently been back in school (I'm not a key worker - I'm studying for a Masters and start teacher training in September), so we've been in A LOT, homeschooling, following guidelines, etc etc.

Back in November, a few days after we had moved in, my mum came round for a cup of tea (I'm a single parent, and I'm in a bubble with my parents). We were talking in the sitting room. There was a knock on the door and a young woman, probably early twenties, was stood there looking a bit perplexed. She asked, 'do you live here? I thought this was an office'. This slightly perplexed me, because it’s clearly a house, but I was pleased to meet a neighbour so quickly and said that my daughter and I had just moved in, and briefly introduced myself and enquired in turn about her. She's from London, but studying for a medical degree at the University here. She then said she had heard talking, so loud that it 'was like it was just right outside my window'. 'Great', I thought...'thin walls'. However, my mum and I don't talk particularly loudly - and were just chatting in a very normal way. I felt like the young woman was waiting for me to apologise or offer to reduce the noise, but I just felt that I shouldn't. I'm generally a very accommodating person (sometimes too accommodating, I think) but felt that I shouldn't offer not to talk, at a normal level, in my own sitting room. It turns out she lives basically in one room, and works at her computer on the other side of the wall. I did, however, feel sympathy that she could hear noise, and that this was disturbing her. I know that the previous tenant here was a divorced man who wasn't home at a lot - and without children - so she was probably used to blissful silence.

Anyway, I have never seen her since. I've already established a really good relationship with the people in the house next to us (another semi-detached), but see little of the people in the flats to the other side. Yesterday morning, however, as I was leaving the house to take DD to school, I saw a letter had been posted. It was four pages of A4 and I quickly scanned it as I was in a rush, but my heart sank when I realised it was from the young woman, apparently at her wit's end, about the noise coming from our house. The letter included one which she had composed just after Christmas, and one she had written that morning. She said she had resisted sending the one at Christmas at first, but that she's now really struggling.

Apparently she hears lots of shouting and thudding, which stops her going to sleep (she said she goes to bed very early some days - between 6 and 7pm after working at her placement) , and that the noise also impacts on her ability to concentrate on her studies. I have obviously obsessed and obsessed about what she could be referring to. Occasionally, but not that frequently, my DD decides to launch herself from the sofa, or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down, so that could explain the thuds. As far as 'shouting' goes, often I do shout upstairs - 'Are you OK?' - if she's playing in her bedroom. Or I call her from the kitchen, ‘Dinner’s ready!’. Admittedly, I will often have shouted either of these things at around 6-7pm, shortly before DD’s bedtime (but sadly DURING the bed time of the woman next door). I've started to become extremely paranoid about the level of noise we produce, but I just can't really, rationally believe it's anything beyond a normal level for a family of our (small) size.

I DO have sympathy. She's on her own, in a different city, studying for what must be an incredibly difficult degree, and under a huge amount of pressure. None of this is helped by COVID and the accompanying restrictions. I've struggled massively myself and definitely empathise. But I also feel slightly aggrieved that she didn't just come and speak to me sooner (and more directly, unlike that first time when she came round), rather than send me this really rather long essay about how desperate the situation has been for her, and basically lying it all at my door.

I've asked if we can speak face to face (she gave me her number in her letter), and we're going to speak tomorrow. I feel like my approach should be that, 'while I feel sympathy, we are a small family just doing normal things and behaving in a very normal way. I don't know what more I can do?’ Is this reasonable? It's so difficult...

What I'm most upset about, and angry at myself about, is that I STUPIDLY mentioned it my daughter. I am an absolute idiot. In the car I was in a bit of shock after receiving the letter, and feeling awful and weird, and gently told my daughter that we might need to be careful to keep the noise down otherwise we might upset the neighbours. She knew I had a letter in my hand, and put two and two together. Again, STUPIDLY, on my part, she overheard me mentioning it to a close friend near the school gates.

Sorry for all this rambling. But to finish - DD is a sensitive thing, and on our previous street, where we lived since she was born, we were surrounded by a huge array of really lovely neighbours. She's always associated 'neighbours' with friendly, almost family-like people. This has shaken her a bit and she keeps asking about our neighbour, and saying she feels 'bad and sad' about the letter. She even started whispering yesterday evening when we were in the sitting room, fearful that she might be being too noisy. I regret letting her know about this so, so, so much - it was an utterly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. So I guess I also would love any advice on how to repair the damage done here.

Sorry again for the rambling. Well done, and thanks, if you made it to the end.

OP posts:
Tiktokersmiracle · 18/03/2021 22:00

I'd be speaking to her landlord, not her. She's taking her stress over her placement out on you and your child. 4 pages of AT, including one she wrote over Christmas? She's sounds properly off.
It's not your issue, it's hers. Seriously, I would raise a grievance with their landlord.

Dreadnought77 · 18/03/2021 22:03

Bookcases are wonderful invention, my mums old neighbours had book cases, from ceiling to floor, and my mum also had wooden furniture.
When the neighbours moved and she changed her room, it was a bit of a shock noise wise.

Buy bookcases, and stick them on adjoining walls. Fill with books.

Nanny0gg · 18/03/2021 23:03

@thecatandthevicar

No, I don't shout across the house Confused and I tell off my kids if they do.

I especially wouldn't if I was living in a flat or a semi.

It's called teaching them manners. Something that some people are lacking unfortunatley.

Calling to someone upstairs to come down, or whatever isn't rude!
Nanny0gg · 18/03/2021 23:04

@Justhadathought

or climb to the top of the door frame and drop down,Is this a thing 🤨
I can't believe my youngest never thought of trying that!
Twoforthree · 18/03/2021 23:13

Do you know the neighbours above her? Can you ask them if they think your noise is unreasonable?

DeusEx · 19/03/2021 05:56

Ask her to take a note of times when she hears noise and what that noise is. You can then match up with what you’re doing. It’s also likely to catch her out - we asked a neighbour to do this when he complained about noise from our dogs and most of the occasion he noted barking were when the dogs were at doggy day care!

Secnarf · 19/03/2021 06:55

You are not being unreasonable.

Speaking as someone who was a medical student:

  • you have to cope with much more noise and at much more antisocial times if you live in student accommodation or a shared student house.
  • you would have that with bells on once you hit hospital accommodation when you finally start work.
  • you will never have perfect silence to concentrate on your work on a busy ward.
  • Whilst we did do a handful of nights many years ago when I was a student, I can’t remember having a student with us during the night shift for pretty much my entire career. I also struggle to think of a shift that would require someone to have a bedtime of 6pm.

Sending 4 page letters is not normal. Going to bed at 6pm is not normal.

I would worry that these are signs that she is not coping, or that something else is going on in her life. If she were attached to my team or if she were one of my juniors, and I caught wind of it, I would definitely want to be taking her for a cuppa to have an “Are you OK?” chat.

I think a fair few medical students are finding things very tough currently. (In common with all students) the move to virtual teaching for non-patient facing work must be very isolating. Whilst we have been protecting the students from seeing COVID patients on the ward, it has been a huge source of anxiety and there have been a few who have been really avoidant of the wards for this reason. This is not a great combination with a group of propel who can tend to be a bit highly strung and overly demanding of themselves.

Alternatively of course, she could just be on that rather intense end of the scale, and for the reason I give above, unfortunately, much as noise bothers her, it is something that she would have to get used to.

It is not your job to be her counsellor, and you can’t try to avoid living a normal life even if she is suffering. I suspect you’ll get an idea if she is at the end of her wits, and if you get that vibe from her, maybe just listening to her for a bit might help her. But don’t offer to change things unless they are really easy to change or actually they are a bit anti-social on reflection, just because you feel sorry for her.

Billandben444 · 19/03/2021 07:05

Buy bookcases, and stick them on adjoining walls. Fill with books.

Surely this advice should be aimed at the neighbour as she is the one with the problem?

LadyEloise · 19/03/2021 09:05

Lovely, insightful post Secnarf

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 19/03/2021 09:16

Your NDN seems very inflexible and intolerant - not skills you'd exactly welcome in a doctor, surely?!

Norwaydidnthappen · 19/03/2021 09:18

I think your neighbour is struggling mentally tbh and deciding to take it out on you. The past year hasn’t been easy on anyone and I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for university students spending a lot of their time studying at home (no libraries or coffee shops to disappear to, it must be hard!). However, she’s complaining about really normal household noise. If she took the complaint to the council, they would say the same thing. You aren’t drilling into her walls at 11pm or blasting music and having loud house parties into the night. She literally complained about you having a regular conversation...

She’s also being hugely unreasonable to ask you to be silent from 7pm onwards because that’s her bedtime! Normal adults don’t go to bed at 7pm, she needs to buy some earplugs and get over herself.

Lubiluxe · 19/03/2021 13:07

Good luck op and keep us posted.

Mylovelyhorsee · 19/03/2021 15:12

Yeah after reading all updates, I’d wonder if there is a next of kin you could contact as her behaviour is not normal at all. I’d be concerned she’s having some sort of breakdown.

IJustLikeBiscuitsOK · 19/03/2021 16:15

How did the chat go OP?

Kerravon34 · 19/03/2021 16:57

I had a neighbour complain about me ‘walking around and slamming doors and having sex’. I actually keep all my doors permanently open, ( so cat doesn’t get shut in a room lol). I am super quiet, so I don’t know what he was hearing, especially the sex bit, I was single! 🙀 The complainant ended up being evicted for harassment of me and another tenant. I didn’t want him evicted but he drove the housing officer mad, complaining. He’d leave notes on my door, which they saw. They were totally on my side, they said it was just ‘normal household noise’ he was referring to and told me to ignore him, but I felt so guilty and uncomfortable in my own home. Please ignore this neighbour, they are legally in the wrong, not you. Mine turned out to be logging complaints of me ‘banging doors’ and ‘having tv on’ and walking while I was out at work!

SheikahSlate · 19/03/2021 17:08

@IJustLikeBiscuitsOK

How did the chat go OP?
Thank you for asking!

It went surprisingly well. She has upcoming exams and is anxious to avoid having to do resits if she fails any. Her first thing to do was to apologise about the letter, and she seemed really sheepish about it. I think she had a 'moment' when she posted it. I explained that I cannot help about normal conversation in the sitting room (and pointed out she's lucky that this is single-parent household, because otherwise there would be plenty of that every evening, I'm sure!) and she accepted that.

I asked her to explain a bit more about the 'shouting' and 'thumping'...she was a bit vague, to be honest, and said it was hard to pinpoint exactly what those noises were and that they were quite sporadic. This was all very incongruent with the letter, which was so fraught...

She did say that she also hears a very loud TV in the flat above her, but that she never hears ours - which is great, but odd, because she can hear conversations, but not the TV?

She said that once her exams are over, she is planning to move, which is probably for the best, by the 'sounds' (!) of it.

I didn't apologise at any point, and haven't had to agree to do anything because she was so woolly when I asked her to be more specific. I was nice but firm that we really are very normal people, and actually relatively quiet.

Now I know she's got exams coming up though, I will, privately, reduce room to room calling in the evening, and also the door jumping. But that wasn't something I committed to her personally, out of principle.

A relief...but all a bit weird to be honest.

I've had so many helpful replies on this thread, so thanks everyone!

OP posts:
saraclara · 19/03/2021 17:08

It's bizarre that she expects her neighbours to stop their lives at 6pm on a Friday so that she can go to bed. If she's intelligent enough to be a med student, surely she can see this if it's pointed out to her?

saraclara · 19/03/2021 17:09

ah...cross posted. I'm glad it went well.

IntermittentParps · 19/03/2021 17:33

Well handled, OP. Her vagueness, and the inconsistency about hearing conversations, but not the TV, make me even more sure that she's full of shit possibly having a hard time and was, as you say, having a 'moment' when she wrote and posted the letter.

I suspect you won't hear from her again.

islockdownoveryet · 19/03/2021 17:39

Good outcome well done . She is probably just stressed people do act oddly when stressed.

BlackBucketOfCheese · 19/03/2021 17:40

That sounds really well handled OP.

Diamondnights · 19/03/2021 18:24

@BlackBucketOfCheese

That sounds really well handled OP.
Yes, well done OP.
moanieleminx · 19/03/2021 18:47

Well done. She sounds very very stressed, and I am sorry for her but she cannot put this on you. Hopefully she will get some sleep, headphones and that is the end of it as far as you are concerned

RealisticSketch · 19/03/2021 18:55

I'm glad you have her the opportunity to get it off her chest op. If she's struggling that alone is an act of kindness and if she feels her neighbours are not enemies that will hopefully help sooth her frazzled nerves.
It sounds unlikely that she will make things difficult for you so you can relax too.
How is your daughter, can she so worrying also now?

eatsleepread · 19/03/2021 19:09

She sounds like a fruit loop who had it too good for too long!