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AIBU to not help out with money?

221 replies

TroublesomeTrucks · 06/03/2021 14:13

As background, DH and I have separate finances, I know MN don't tend to like it but he's been stung in previous relationships but is also terrible with money and so has a poor credit score. Keeping things separate suits him and suits me because I keep my credit rating and have a rainy day fund to bail us out as a family when needed and we both know our individual financial responsibilities. We earn similar amounts.

The issue now is that, because he's self employed, he has his tax bill for the year. It is more than he expected and he's really worried about paying it. He has put nothing aside over the last year and has also spent the whole of a modest inheritance. (We both have kept working during the pandemic.) Over the last 5 years he has also slightly changed his job with no planning or discussion with me to one that is significantly lower paying and has gradually reduced the number of days he works to one a week, again with no input from me. I have increased my hours and my contribution to the mortgage but it is not enough to offset the drop in his earnings, hence the problem with the tax bill. He probably earns the same as me doing one day a week as I do working full time.

We have recently started building an extension, which I am paying for alone, but now seems the height of foolishness given the issue with his income. Had we not done it, I could pay his tax bill from my savings with plenty to spare but now I can't. I don't have access to his financial information so I didn't know how bad it was, but he was aware of the planned building work and agreed we'd go ahead.

I could help out with the tax bill, but I don't feel it's my responsibility. He choses to work one day a week, and knows his financial obligations. He could easily increase his work as his job is in short supply. He also has a vanity car (plus another car for regular use) he can sell to cover the majority of the bill.

Obviously if it comes down to us potentially losing the house or having bailiffs round, I will pay up, but I don't want him to think he can be this financially irresponsible and I'll just bail him out when this situation is entirely by his choice. He is very very worried though.

AIBU?

OP posts:
BigPaperBag · 06/03/2021 14:48

On this particular situation I think YABU not to help out as it could affect your whole family. In future situations, make sure he sets up a standing order (maybe to you?) for his tax bill to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

Robin233 · 06/03/2021 14:48

Just imagine the life you could have if dh worked full time - like you do.
We have separate account but it's just easier and we shared the bill in proportion- and we are always treating each other.
You'd have that extension paid off in no time.

Mumoftwoinprimary · 06/03/2021 14:49

Hell no! He needs to up his working to 2/3/4/5 days a week. Then he will be able to pay his tax bill and contribute fairly to the extension.

Why are you working full time while he works 1 day a week when he has the better earning power? As a family that makes no sense whatsoever!

Reinventinganna · 06/03/2021 14:49

We have separate finances but still consult each other if changing jobs/big expenses.

My Dh also has a ‘play’ car. It’s a luxury, non essential item but he can afford it. If he/we had money troubles it would be the first thing to go because it’s a luxury.

He also keeps a separate account to save for his tax bill throughout the year. He usually has more than the bill saved just in case.

Maybe this will be the kick up the bottom that your Dh needs. He has to work more! 1 day a week is ridiculous. Even my 15 year old works more around school.

QuothTheSlothNevermore · 06/03/2021 14:49

I'd understand if he was doing more in the way of looking after the children, housework etc as you are in the relationship as a partnership, but if not he should definitely be paying his way more.

Very jealous of his one day a week though - we need two full time salaries here just to keep up with the mortgage!

lunar1 · 06/03/2021 14:49

He can increase his days to two a week and contact HMRC to arrange instalments. Please don't give him the money.

toomanyspiderplants · 06/03/2021 14:51

No. sell his car and/or work more. don't bail him out. If you do expect the same next year.

GreenBalaclava · 06/03/2021 14:52

I can completely understand being in a relationship where finances are separate and that works for both parties (even though DH and I share money).

I can NOT fathom being in a relationship where one partner takes significant decisions affecting the financial stability of both partners without even discussing it. And is cagey about their finances while the other partner takes on the financial commitment of paying for an extension. And expects the other partner to bail them out when it goes tits up.

Do NOT bail him out OP. He will have to increase his working hours or sell his car. He had several options.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 06/03/2021 14:52

He is very very worried though.

He's not that worried if there are feasible solutions (he contacts HMRC, sells one of his cars and opts to work more days) that he is refusing to implement or consider.

Do not pay this bill for him. You may well need this money for the extension or all sorts of unexpected contingencies or events. He seems to have several reasonable options - the easiest for him is that you pay and he feels no need to mend his ways but that would be the very worst outcome for you both now and in the future.

looselegs · 06/03/2021 14:52

HMRC will do a payment plan for him so he can pay it over a few months. I've done it before.

Candleabra · 06/03/2021 14:53

...bought a wreck and agreed he'd pay the mortgage and I'd pay for renovations, although I now pay around a third of the mortgage.

Please tell me the house is in joint names?

Hallyup5 · 06/03/2021 14:54

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I find it incredibly strange that you could be married to someone and not pool your finances. For richer, for poorer, and all that.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 06/03/2021 14:56

Mn has archaic group views about finances and what constitutes proper relationship
You are mere flat mates If you have separate finances according to mn
Meanwhile in real life it is prudent and commonplace to have separate finances

Thebearsbunny · 06/03/2021 15:03

Crikey. If I earned as much as my full time earning DH by only working one day a week I’d work 3 days and ask my DH to reduce his hours to 3 days also. That way we’d work the same hours so all would be fair and have a lovely 4 day ‘weekend’ together.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 06/03/2021 15:04

I'm self employed and this is the exact reason why I put extra money aside and so other people I know who are self employed.

Don't pay it. Get him to call HMRC and speak to them.

I agree with the PP who says if you bail him out then he'll never learn.

Supersimkin2 · 06/03/2021 15:04

Stuff the new car - you're his real free ride OP.

TroublesomeTrucks · 06/03/2021 15:07

I'm not his free ride. I haven't given him any money, I just feel guilty watching him being so anxious when I know I could help, but also know I shouldn't have to and really, I wouldn't need to if he pulled his finger out and stopped being a twat.

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Petitmum · 06/03/2021 15:07

He can sell his vanity car to pay his tax bill - why should you pay?

It can be a good idea to keep finances separate when one party is poor with money but there needs to be openess between both parties. It is not unreasonable for you to want to know that he is meeting his financial obligations.

VestaTilley · 06/03/2021 15:12

OP.

Why are you in a relationship with this man? He works one day a week, has a vanity car and spent his tax money and inheritance instead of saving for it- and YOU are paying in full for the extension and work full time.

Are you out of your mind? Or has he manipulated you enough that you don’t see how bad this situation is? He’s using you and taking the piss.

Tell him to leave. Today. And for the love of God don’t give or lend him any money.

Ellmau · 06/03/2021 15:12

Does he now fully understand that as from now he needs to be putting money aside as he goes to pay the tax?

If so, then I might pay, possibly as a loan, so he repays you over a period, as well as saving for next year's bill.

For info: a family member was in this position and his DPs paid. Next year, same position, and the DP declined to help again. It didn't happen a third time.

Agree he needs to work more days, but don't forget the tax bill will be higher too then, so he needs to KEEP A SAVINGS POT FOR TAX.

Does he have an accountant?

AuntyFungal · 06/03/2021 15:12

Must be nice to pick and choose such a cushy job knowing your wife will pick up the slack / bail you out.

Must be even nicer looking after and fucking such a disorganised, lazy man child.

VestaTilley · 06/03/2021 15:14

Also why isn’t he doing all the home educating if he only works one day a week?

Comtesse · 06/03/2021 15:14

He is perfectly capable of rescuing himself. You should not feel obligated to rescue him from himself. Time for some tough conversations OP.

AGirlCalledJohnny · 06/03/2021 15:15

@AnneLovesGilbert

Then he needs to up his working week to 2 or3 days.

Or 5. Like most people who need the income. Like his wife has to.

Uh huh. One day a week? He’s taking the piss.
NoGoodPunsLeft · 06/03/2021 15:16

He can't be that worried or anxious because it is to easy to resolve, he just CBA/doesn't want to give up his cushty life being a cocklodger.

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