Where would the money come from to give all NHS staff a 12.5% pay rise?

[katieloves]

I cannot begin to think where cuts would be made to fund this when the economy already is in the state it’s in. How would you fund it?

Well there isn't the money. But there also is t the money to have the top tiny percentage of people hoard all the money and pay fuck all tax while handing the loot around between themselves.

It's about time we threw the elite in prison for the shot they do while people die.

Tax the rich, including companies like Amazon that take the absolute piss with the amount of tax they pay.

It could be done tomorrow.

Where was the money for furlough? For the benefits uplifts? For FSM throughout school holidays? For all the rates reliefs and so on that the government have put in through covid? Nobody was questioning where the money for that came from, but suddenly when it comes to NHS pay the money has suddenly ran out just before it comes to that? Odd.

From the same place they got the £100+ million the government awarded to their mates?

Or the same place they got the billions wasted on Test and Trace?

Or they could use the £350 million a week that the nice red bus promised the NHS could have?

And governments should work together to do it so they can't hide in tax havens.

Sick and tired of 'there are no resources' when there fucking are. Empty luxury homes and people on the streets.

Fuck them.

From the HS2 budget?

Politicians earn loads - stop paying them so much and make them survive on 30k and the money would be there in an instant. And that's just thinking off the top of my head.

Same place the money to uplift politicians wages

From suing the ass off the "companies" that didn't provide the vastly inflated, inadequate PPE that cost at least 900 staff to die from Covid. They had to wear bin bags for PPE.

Same place as Dido Harding's billions?

@FoxyTheFox

From the same place they got the £100+ million the government awarded to their mates?

Or the same place they got the billions wasted on Test and Trace?

Or they could use the £350 million a week that the nice red bus promised the NHS could have?

100 million would get every nhs employee about £70 a year, surely much less than the 1% rise. I dont disagree but the numbers are vast

My point was that is money magically available when it suits them.

@MeadowHay
WHERE WAS THE MONEY FOR FURLOUGH? FOR THE BENEFITS UPLIFTS? FOR FSM THROUGHOUT SCHOOL HOLIDAYS? FOR ALL THE RATES RELIEFS AND SO ON THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAVE PUT IN THROUGH COVID? NOBODY WAS QUESTIONING WHERE THE MONEY FOR THAT CAME FROM, BUT SUDDENLY WHEN IT COMES TO NHS PAY THE MONEY HAS SUDDENLY RAN OUT JUST BEFORE IT COMES TO THAT? ODD.

They didn't have it it's borrowed it last time we borrowed that much money (the war ) it took over 50 years to pay it off

Politicians earn loads - stop paying them so much and make them survive on 30k and the money would be there in an instant. And that's just thinking off the top of my head.

If you removed all of the 650 MPs entire £82,000 wages, each of the 1.3m NHS England workers could have about £40 each for the year. So no, the money wouldn’t be there in an instant.

Let's agree to disagree then. Either way they earn too much and the people who really deserve it don't earn enough so I don't think redistributing the wealth would be a bad thing.

Why does nobody ask where all the money is coming from when it’s billions for Tory mates contracts, billions for vanity projects like bridges or high speed rail, billions for failed track and trace, billions for dodgy contracts or corruption, or millions to spend on settling court cases to protect Tory MP’s or billions to spend on Brexit preparations or stupid useless commemorative coins?

Why doesn’t anyone ever ask where the money is coming from then?

It's called Modern Monetary Theory. A long read, but well-expressed:

actuaries.asn.au/Library/FSF10_Paper_Frank%20Ashe.pdf

Here's wiki:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

The government can print all the money it likes, and that is what it's been doing with furlough.

This clashes with its persistent narrative of running down/deriding the public sector and its espousal of austerity, a purely idoaloigical. not financial move.

Try this:

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/07/21/we-can-afford-all-the-public-services-we-need-its-only-our-economic-model-that-prevents-it/

Here is a really good thread about why national debt is nothing like household debt and is actually good for the economy. The “debt” is just money that the government has created itself and has decided not to tax back because it is still of use in the economy:

mobile.twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1366665012882857984

I just find this concept completely bizarre. Basically we keep printing money for exactly what we want. Will there not come a point when we have to pay it back?

From the £350 million pounds a week we saved with Brexit. We can spend the money ear marked for track and trace, that’s an extra 15 billion.
To be honest as a HCP I don’t want 12%. I just want but to be facing a real terms pay cut AGAIN whilst the MPs award themselves a generous pay rise.

The real question you should be asking is “can we afford to be insulting NHS staff? And can we afford to risk losing any more of them?”
Because they are on their fucking knees and it’s not a great idea to slap them in the face right now.

@FoxyTheFox

From the same place they got the £100+ million the government awarded to their mates?

Or the same place they got the billions wasted on Test and Trace?

Or they could use the £350 million a week that the nice red bus promised the NHS could have?

Ding ding ding - we have our answer!

Axe HS2 (losing a few billion now but gaining tens of billions going forward) and pay nurses with some of that.

They had to wear bin bags for PPE.

The bit that got really weird was when we ran out of gowns and it was suggested in all seriousness that we could use shrouds as an alternative.

The idea of going to intubate someone in Resus while dressed in a shroud (the ones with the frilly neck bit) was one of the least expected parts of my career so far.

@firstimemamma

Politicians earn loads - stop paying them so much and make them survive on 30k and the money would be there in an instant. And that's just thinking off the top of my head.

Except nobody would do the job for £30k