Where would the money come from to give all NHS staff a 12.5% pay rise?

[katieloves]

I cannot begin to think where cuts would be made to fund this when the economy already is in the state it’s in. How would you fund it?

I don't know but I have a feeling if 22 billion hadn't been spaffed on test and trace we would probably be okay.
Still Everyone who is a key worker, private and public sector knows which way to vote next time as the countries appreciation for them all equals fuck all!
yours a private sector key worker who's company made a profit and didn't get a pay rise because, you know covid!

"Whatever you say, you cannot magic money out of thin air."

However, if Dildo Harding needs THIRTY SEVEN FUCKING BILLION for a completely useless track and trace system, that's just down the back of the sofa...

[quote echt]It's called Modern Monetary Theory. A long read, but well-expressed:

actuaries.asn.au/Library/FSF10_Paper_Frank%20Ashe.pdf

Here's wiki:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

The government can print all the money it likes, and that is what it's been doing with furlough.

This clashes with its persistent narrative of running down/deriding the public sector and its espousal of austerity, a purely idoaloigical. not financial move.

Try this:

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/07/21/we-can-afford-all-the-public-services-we-need-its-only-our-economic-model-that-prevents-it/[/quote]
echt has it

The government has managed to print enough money to give millions to its mates. It can just keep the presses rolling a bit longer. Alternatively a windfall tax from the likes of Amazon would do the trick.

They could stop renewing trident. Billions.

I don’t work in the NHS. I’ve worked with the public throughout the first bout of Covid. Despite being careful, i caught covid, and now have long covid. I’m not getting a pay rise this year, and didn’t last year. There are millions of people from lots of sectors who have suffered from doing their jobs during the pandemic. Its going to be a bloody tough few years getting us all out of the massive debt our country is in, and no sooner do we start discussing how we are going to come out of this, the NHS start piling on the pressure. Today, some NHS workers are threatening strike action. Seriously?? The people who are going to suffer are those of us who’ve had to put operations and hospital appointments on hold, and are just seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, and now the nhs are going to put the boot in. Why can’t this wait until at least when we’re out the other side?

It’s not the case at all that endless unlimited debt doesn’t damage the economy. It does. We have borrowed huge amounts of money to pay for lockdown. Paying this back will mean money is taken away from public services in the future.

It’s easy to claim that there are simple easy answers (tax Amazon, etc, pay politicians less) but there aren’t. The huge amount of money needed to be raised to repay the debt will mean we will need to raise taxes or cut services or both. And taxes will need to be raised for those in the middle to raise enough

@Livelovebehappy

I don’t work in the NHS. I’ve worked with the public throughout the first bout of Covid. Despite being careful, i caught covid, and now have long covid. I’m not getting a pay rise this year, and didn’t last year. There are millions of people from lots of sectors who have suffered from doing their jobs during the pandemic. Its going to be a bloody tough few years getting us all out of the massive debt our country is in, and no sooner do we start discussing how we are going to come out of this, the NHS start piling on the pressure. Today, some NHS workers are threatening strike action. Seriously?? The people who are going to suffer are those of us who’ve had to put operations and hospital appointments on hold, and are just seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, and now the nhs are going to put the boot in. Why can’t this wait until at least when we’re out the other side?

And so many who have not been able to be treated by the NHS with serious consequences You are completely right, I agree with you

Amazon pays tax like every other business of course.

From the hundreds of millions we are now saving thanks to brexit of course.

@CayrolBaaaskin

Amazon pays tax like every other business of course.

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@LarryWasAHappyChap - which large corporations pay no tax?

"If money is that important to you, train as a plumber or electrician"
whaaaat??? there's a massive shortage of nhs staff as it is, this ain't gonna make it better.

we need them!!

@VinylDetective - why do you think they don’t? What evidence do you have that they don’t pay what they are due to pay? Why would HMRC not enforce tax laws on Amazon? What qualifications or understanding do you have about the matter?

This will be the Rishi Sunak whose wife has a £900m investment in Amazon?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunak-super-deduction-delivers-gift-wrapped-tax-rebate-to-amazon-h9flpg6s2

Oh, and whose billionaire wife takes advantage of non Dom status to not pay U.K. corporation tax on her U.K. based gym chain?

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@VinylDetective - why do you think they don’t? What evidence do you have that they don’t pay what they are due to pay? Why would HMRC not enforce tax laws on Amazon? What qualifications or understanding do you have about the matter?[/quote]
Are you a citizen of this planet?!

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-why-does-amazon-pay-so-little-tax

By tackling tax evasion - £120bn
By tackling domestic violence - £60bn

Wherever the money for high speed rail came from. Or furlough. Or £3-5,000 per month payments to each of the 800+ cronies in the House of Lords. 800 hundred! What country needs that many non-elected friends of a prime minister hanging around the government building?? This country knows how to waste taxpayer money when it wants to.

Not all NHS staff - only the important ones. Admins etc can fuck right off. At least a quarter of NHS jobs exist because of the lack of digitisation ... I can’t believe there are still paper records in this country ..

Close the tax avoidance loopholes.

Shake the magic money tree that rained £37 billion into Dido Harding’s lap.

Last April Hancock.wrote of the £15billion debt the NHS had run up. The debts our country has run up with furlough, self employed money scheme, Eat Out to Help Out, business grants and UC £20 per week is enormous and we as a country will probably spent 25 years+ paying it back. Our children and even our grandchildren will inherit this debt. Nurses have already been paid 12 percent pay rise over 3 years when others have only had 1 or 2 percent or even been.on pay freeze. This year public servants such as Police and Teachers and civil servants are on a pay freeze. Even MP's turned down their pay rise. Nurses get above average pay. I am not saying they don't deserve more, but others deserve more too. Care workers do a similar type of work but for minimum wage, supermarket workers face many different people every day, and warehouse workers work in warehouses and some with no ventilation. They worked hard through pandemic too but also are badly paid, often earning half the salary of nurses. Nurses can't have 12 percent pay rise because the country cannot afford it. They get decent final/average salary pensions. Many in the private sector are loosing their jobs and do not have anywhere near such good pensions. Once we can get economy back on track and if we can produce growth we can be more generous with pay awards then.

There were two articles side by side in the Daily Hate yesterday. One was that the civil servant Priti Patel bullied out of his job received a settlement of approximately £350,000. The other was that annual income for NHS workers would go up by approx £250 next year.

Maybe they could ask everyone that clapped for a donation.

@DianaT1969

There were two articles side by side in the Daily Hate yesterday. One was that the civil servant Priti Patel bullied out of his job received a settlement of approximately £350,000. The other was that annual income for NHS workers would go up by approx £250 next year.

I bet I can guess at which article received the most outrage from the readers...