AIBU to think these lgbt history resources should not be in school

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Resources produced by The Proud Trust and Stonewall for LGBT history month do the following, according to ssauk:

•	Teach children that they can be born into the wrong body or have a boy ‘inside’ and girl body outside (or vice versa).
•	Teach children that their parents and other trusted adults can be wrong about something as fundamental as the sex of a child – whether they are a boy or a girl.
•	Teach a belief held by a minority of people as if it were a fact.
•	Teach an incorrect and harmful definition of sexual orientation, which is likely to harm lesbian and gay (or those who would grow up to be) children the most.
•	Groom children into campaigning for things which are contrary to their rights under the Equality Act 2010 and to their safety. This will especially impact girls.
•	Misrepresent the struggle that LGB people have experienced to gain equal marriage.

Surely schools should only use materials which are compliant with the latest DfE RSE guidance and safeguarding protocols. These resources are terrible.

More info and links to resoursss here: https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/02/23/lgbt-history-month-school-packs

I'm pretty sure that they breach the new guidelines from DofE.
Even if they didn't these groups should be kept far away from children

Yes they do breach guidelines as talk about "wrong body" and gender not matching sex assigned at birth. Department of education needs to make a stand and be clear that these resources are in breach and there schools using them will be in breach.

God, I am so sick of all these extreme activists desperately trying to get their identity confusion agenda into primary schools. It's so sinister. They are also so homophobic (they redefine homosexuality, so it is not same-sex attraction, but "same-gender" attraction, so that men can be "lesbians") which is the exact opposite of what the Equality Act 2010 says. And as for telling young kids that people can be born in the wrong bodies! Haven't the Dept for Education told them they mustn't do this anymore? Parents! Contact your schools and make sure they aren't brainwashing your kids with this harmful madness.

This should not be taught in schools. Teach all children that difference is OK, but that sex is immutable and biological.

I'm surprised that Stonewall material breaching DofE guidelines is still circulating.

Why does there have to be three new threads about this a day?

YANBU. Contact Transgender Trend also.

Complain to the DfE- the born in the wrong body thing goes against recently issued Govt guidance.

The whole thing is creepy and awful. The increase in sex ed teaching has led to a boom in an outsourced industry to lobby groups providing training and materials which the school are happy to hand over to an external agency. It’s unacceptable.

If it’s happening in schools near you write to the Head/Academy chain/Governors/local authority and your MP.

Ask to see all sex ed materials at the start of term.

Write to Baroness Nicholson as well, she's really on the ball with this.

God this place is a broken record about trans issues. Look, transpeople exist, they need resources. The end.

@Brinstar Do you have children in school? I'm terrified about this. We need to open up the discussion. We can't ignore it.

Just read this

Another concerning definition to teach children is ‘Asexual’ as it is likely that many children have not yet experienced sexual attraction. This is not something that children should feel the need to label, as for most it is simply a normal part of their stage of development.

This can fuck right off. I'm asexual and spent a large part of my teens and early 20 thinking that I was broken and there was something wrong with me. I was SEVERLY depressed as a result, Someone mentioned asexuality to me in my mid 20s and I suddenly realised that I was normal, learning that asexuality was a thing at a young age would have been life changing for me.

I agree.

I have such an issue with children as young as 5 (and it's mainly girls) being encouraged to consider if they were born to the wrong gender.

It reinforces gender stereotypes and it's usually female sex born young children who love football and the football kits who start questioning their gender because they are being told to.

And ime (which I accept is anecdotal!) it's mainly girls identifying as boys or non gender and I fear it's eroding feminist rights more.

There is huge place in society for teaching children to accept who they are. For allowing them the freedom to know they don't have to conform to any gender stereotype or even box themselves into a gender. There's a huge place in society to accept transgender people.

But in my opinion no place to encourage young children to question things about themselves they don't have the cognitive ability to understand. The seed are planted to question what they accept about themselves are right far to young.

Whatever happened to 5yos thinking they were cats and refusing to answer unless you called them their cat name or meowed at them

Transgender people exist, asexual people exist - teaching children about this is not wrong.

Also, one of my mum's friends transitioned FtM when I was about 5 or 6. Knowing that they existed and that it was a thing made absolutely no difference to my at that age. I didn't question my gender, I wasn't confused, I didn't think I was in the wrong body just because they did, I didn't question myself. I was taught that sometimes boys could feel like girls and sometimes girls could feel like they were boys and I just shrugged and accepted it. Because I was a girl and felt like a girl.

Being taught about something doesn't mean being influenced or groomed.

No they shouldn't be used in schools but the only way we will stop them being used is for all parents to check their school's RSE policy against the Safe Schools' Alliance and/or Transgender Trend guidance and challenge the school (copying the head of safeguarding and governor charged with safeguarding). And every time material is used in school that breaches the guidelines, contact the school (again copying head of safeguarding and governor changed with safeguarding). Until school senior leadership teams understand the issue and realise that parents are really concerned about this our children will continually be exposed to unsuitable material,.

As an asexual I think what is said in that link is disgusting. Maybe they should wait till secondary schools just so children know the concept of sex but I would have been so much happier if someone told me I wasn’t strange and there were other people like me.

Completely agree with @slashlover. Some people try to convince me this MN obsession with trans issues about women’s rights but passages such as that seem to me that they want to eliminate anyone they deem as not normal. Asexuality is real, it is a scientific fact and we have existed since humans existed.

And I’m sure someone will come and try to convince me I’m wrong but this sounds suspiciously like when decades ago we were not allowed to teach that gay people exist as people claimed it would influence their child to be gay......

These things have a place in high schools for teens to have balanced discussions about. Not in primary

@cinammonbuns

And I’m sure someone will come and try to convince me I’m wrong but this sounds suspiciously like when decades ago we were not allowed to teach that gay people exist as people claimed it would influence their child to be gay......

Yup.

I went to school during the era of Section 28 when nothing other than straight sex was taught at school, some people still turned out to be gay.

There is avast difference between teaching kids to accept people and peddling the untruth that some people are born in the wrong body. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Children struggling with their bodies for whatever reason should not be told that there bodies don't match their "gender identity" whatever that actually means (surely it just means they are not stereotypically male or female.

All schools should be challenging stereotypes and challenging sexism. All schools should have robust anti bullying policies. All schools should be adhering to government guidelines and safeguarding protocols. And upholding the law. That's really all there us to

So that's fine, people will turn out to be whatever they are going to be, without confusing small children about the facts of life.

Small children need to be taught that families come in all shapes and sizes, that people are all different, and that we respect each other.

They don't need to be taught that some people hate their body and grow up wanting to damage it, or that people who play football and like cars are boys, even if they have female genitalia. FGS.

There is avast difference between teaching kids to accept people and peddling the untruth that some people are born in the wrong body. Nobody is born in the wrong body.

So kids, trans people exist and are to be accepted and respected. HOWEVER, they are also wrong and liars because nobody is born in the wrong body.

Care to comment on the erasure of Ase people?

Oh for gods sake this is nothing like section 28.

Being gay and being trans are entirely different things. Accepting someone's sexuality is one thing. Accepting damaging tropes like "born in the wrong body" is damaging to children and will ultimately overrides children's rights to express a preference for single sex spaces.

Section 28 has nothing to do with these issues. And if you don't believe me, talk to people from lesbians rights alliance or get the L out (many of those women were there fighting section 28) and they will say how damaging this ideology is to lesbians.

YANBU at all. This is awful.

@slashlover

Also, one of my mum's friends transitioned FtM when I was about 5 or 6. Knowing that they existed and that it was a thing made absolutely no difference to my at that age. I didn't question my gender, I wasn't confused, I didn't think I was in the wrong body just because they did, I didn't question myself. I was taught that sometimes boys could feel like girls and sometimes girls could feel like they were boys and I just shrugged and accepted it. Because I was a girl and felt like a girl.

Being taught about something doesn't mean being influenced or groomed.

" I was taught that sometimes boys could feel like girls and sometimes girls could feel like they were boys ." Huh?

That does not even make sense. What could it possibly mean? What could 'feeling like a girl' or 'feeling like they were a boy' mean?

One of my grandsons decided he was a bat, for a while. Should we teach children that sometimes boys could feel like bats, or girls could feel they were horses or whatever? (Leeches? Crabs? Viruses? Planets? Black Holes? ...?) Or should we apply a little common sense?

Sure, a boy could say he felt like he was a girl. If so, in most circumstances it would be a teacher's or other grown-up's job to respond with a 'Don't be silly, that doesn't make sense; there is no such thing as feeling like you are a girl. Whatever you are feeling like, it isn't that.' That would be the truth, after all.

No, children should not be taught such foolish nonsense.