AIBU to think these lgbt history resources should not be in school

[2fallsagain]

Resources produced by The Proud Trust and Stonewall for LGBT history month do the following, according to ssauk:

•	Teach children that they can be born into the wrong body or have a boy ‘inside’ and girl body outside (or vice versa).
•	Teach children that their parents and other trusted adults can be wrong about something as fundamental as the sex of a child – whether they are a boy or a girl.
•	Teach a belief held by a minority of people as if it were a fact.
•	Teach an incorrect and harmful definition of sexual orientation, which is likely to harm lesbian and gay (or those who would grow up to be) children the most.
•	Groom children into campaigning for things which are contrary to their rights under the Equality Act 2010 and to their safety. This will especially impact girls.
•	Misrepresent the struggle that LGB people have experienced to gain equal marriage.

Surely schools should only use materials which are compliant with the latest DfE RSE guidance and safeguarding protocols. These resources are terrible.

More info and links to resoursss here: https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/02/23/lgbt-history-month-school-packs

I do not believe that this type of information should be part of the curriculum - it is propoganda。Of course education is more than the academic curriculum but it is not about pushing this agenda. There are many issues that we could argue are important - the problem with this type of resource is that it is not presented as discussion. What happens is that children are told about discrimination and it is presented that any opposing view is bigoted. This destroys discussion and questioning it discourages children from questioning - the very opposite of what it claims it is

@BarbaraofKent well I haven’t called anybody any names and I as I have said I have kept up with the news and the information I am currently saying is correct at this time.

[quote SimonJT]@2fallsagain Ah there we have it, it didn’t take long for the gay = sexual predator comments to start.[/quote]
Eh? I have no idea what your sexuality is. Why would I? You are a random poster in the internet. Equally you have no idea what my sexuality is.

My point is that some adults seem overly invested in talking about adults sex lives to children. I don't know why this is.

@BarbaraofKent her "hole" is better than mine after children. You're the one saying you are the gender you're born to. No exceptions. My friend went through hell and back to get to where she is now. It took YEARS! It was so incredibly hard for her and you make it sound like it was on a whim because she liked the colour pink. Misogynistic though hahaha.

@Sunkisses

God, I am so sick of all these extreme activists desperately trying to get their identity confusion agenda into primary schools. It's so sinister. They are also so homophobic (they redefine homosexuality, so it is not same-sex attraction, but "same-gender" attraction, so that men can be "lesbians") which is the exact opposite of what the Equality Act 2010 says. And as for telling young kids that people can be born in the wrong bodies! Haven't the Dept for Education told them they mustn't do this anymore? Parents! Contact your schools and make sure they aren't brainwashing your kids with this harmful madness.

Ditto. How have such a tiny minority achieved such influence ? People have been brainwashed into thinking that these people are the freedom fighters; they are reactionary and misogynistic.

Also, you can make a vagina. A lot of you wouldn't even know the difference .

[quote Jumpers268]@BarbaraofKent but she has. She's post op too. No longer has a penis. Has a vagina now. My son knows that too. I'm glad I'm raising my child to be curious, to ask questions and most of all to be compassionate. You do you though.[/quote]
Your friend does not have a vagina. You cannot create a vagina. Your friend has not changed sex. That is impossible.

My point is that some adults seem overly invested in talking about adults sex lives to children. I don't know why this is.

Ah, lovely comments like these are only ever applied to gay people, or things about gay people.

I do like the faux naivety at the end, gold star for effort. Its okay, we know what you really mean.

Stashlover this is the very definition of "wrong body" theory. Nobody is assigned a gender. Sex is observed at birth. Gender identity is stereotypes.

The definition for trans is "A person whose gender identity is in some way different to the gender they were assigned at birth" and is one of 12 different definitions.

How do you define trans without going back to stereotypes?

All this stuff really worries me how my children will be affected in the future (currently to young to encounter it) .... Shouldn't we just be teaching children everyone is different and all feelings are accepted rather than trying to change biology

@SimonJT are you assuming you know my sexuality?

Yes, let's erase the history of trans people, who have historically fought for queer rights for a very long time. Facts? Who needs 'em, eh?

[quote Jumpers268]@BarbaraofKent her "hole" is better than mine after children. You're the one saying you are the gender you're born to. No exceptions. My friend went through hell and back to get to where she is now. It took YEARS! It was so incredibly hard for her and you make it sound like it was on a whim because she liked the colour pink. Misogynistic though hahaha.[/quote]

How can you say that an artificially created cavity is better than the organ that birthed your children? Have a bit of respect for yourself and for women.

You're definitely not being unreasonable.

@SimonJT
“If you don’t think children should be taught about any sexualities how did/do you hide heterosexuality from your children? “
What are you on about? You have no idea what sexuality I am, but that’s not even relevant.
Why does any 5 year old need to be taught anything about any sexuality? It is wholly inappropriate for their age. As a PP said, they perceive relationships but that’s about it.

[quote Jumpers268]@BarbaraofKent but she has. She's post op too. No longer has a penis. Has a vagina now. My son knows that too. I'm glad I'm raising my child to be curious, to ask questions and most of all to be compassionate. You do you though.[/quote]
Your friend has not changed sex, Jumpers. Hormone therapy and cosmetic surgery can change certain things about the way the body looks and to a limited extent functions, but nothing can change the chromosomes, and nothing can reverse puberty after it's happened.

[quote cinammonbuns]@2fallsagain what is mutually exclusive between giving the children support and counselling as well as validation?

And I’m not sure how you know the sexual orientation of these girls.

I guess it is a prediction...

And yeah as I have said as far as I know no surgical or hormonal treatment is allowed until a child is 16 and has gone to court. At that point - the same as any other elective cosmetic surgery. They take the responsibility.

That is my opinion, you a free to have yours.[/quote]
There has been some research that indicates many of these girls are lesbian and ASD.

On the point of validation, we don't validate other forms of dysphoria. We don't agree with girls suffering from anorexia that they are indeed fat and need a diet. We don't celebrate them for being their authenticate think selves. Because that would be abusive. So why do we validate gender dysphoria. Why do we agree that yes there is something wrong with your body. Yes you must indeed be the opposite sex. Validation is actually really cruel. A boy can never become a girl. Pretending they are something they can never be is the opposite of supportive.

How can you say that an artificially created cavity is better than the organ that birthed your children

It's bizarre indeed. It's not really worth even attempting to debate with such people.

Thanks, this has prompted me to check out the consultation documents that our school currently has running on their RSE provision. I am very reassured that they clearly say that they are following the new DoE guidance and will not be teaching that children can be born in the wrong body. Phew!

[quote snow21]@SimonJT
“If you don’t think children should be taught about any sexualities how did/do you hide heterosexuality from your children? “
What are you on about? You have no idea what sexuality I am, but that’s not even relevant.
Why does any 5 year old need to be taught anything about any sexuality? It is wholly inappropriate for their age. As a PP said, they perceive relationships but that’s about it.[/quote]
How do you prevent five year olds knowing about sexuality? Do you make five year olds only socialise with children of single parents? If you have children how have you hidden your sexuality from them if you aren’t a single parent?

The only thing that has ever come out of my vagina is bodily fluids .

I guess all of yours are real and mine is not!

I don't think anyone else has actually looked at the resources rather than the comments on them? I looked at the first pack and its fine for upper secondary. Its totally appropriate and of course there will be lots of discussion but the point is for the materials to be the basis/starting points of that discussion.

@LeopardFever sure looks better than mine and she's very happy with it. You mean women that were born with a vagina right? Those are the ones I should have respect for?

Me too - I’ve also just checked the materials for secondary school.
I’d love to find something that is clearly pro same-sex relationships - given Stonewall don’t support that anymore. Does anyone have resources suitable for kids?

@cinammonbuns laughed out loud 😂😂. It's true, it's only a vagina if you've birthed a child. Obviously. I wonder what they think about hermaphrodites. Or maybe they're allowed to choose their gender.... .