AIBU to think these lgbt history resources should not be in school

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Resources produced by The Proud Trust and Stonewall for LGBT history month do the following, according to ssauk:

•	Teach children that they can be born into the wrong body or have a boy ‘inside’ and girl body outside (or vice versa).
•	Teach children that their parents and other trusted adults can be wrong about something as fundamental as the sex of a child – whether they are a boy or a girl.
•	Teach a belief held by a minority of people as if it were a fact.
•	Teach an incorrect and harmful definition of sexual orientation, which is likely to harm lesbian and gay (or those who would grow up to be) children the most.
•	Groom children into campaigning for things which are contrary to their rights under the Equality Act 2010 and to their safety. This will especially impact girls.
•	Misrepresent the struggle that LGB people have experienced to gain equal marriage.

Surely schools should only use materials which are compliant with the latest DfE RSE guidance and safeguarding protocols. These resources are terrible.

More info and links to resoursss here: https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/02/23/lgbt-history-month-school-packs

Using the word "teaching" in relation to these resources is not I believe appropriate - teaching is about children being able to be critical and question and to analyse and argue their point. Unfortunately the current climate makes it impossible to allow a critical discussion within a classroom - those who might disagree will be held up as bigots, promoting hate speech etc they will not be allowed in many cases to present their view, equally teachers will not be able to question the views and play Devil's advocate . That is not right in an educational setting , it means that one view is presented as fact .

Seems a tad hard on trans people, though but. 'Liars' is a bit strong, no?

So this There are some people who say they were born in the wrong body. We know that is a silly thing to say -- it doesn't really make any sense, does it, if you think about it?

isn't calling them a liar?

@cinammonbuns @slashlover I guess it's not something I've ever really come across before. And if I'm honest I've always thought that people are sexually attracted to someone, but that's just my own ignorance. Thank you both.

@slashlover I am also a romantic but I hope I will find another armoantic friend to live with for the rest of our lives (that’s what I meant by dying alone, sorry if it sounded bad :/)

@slashlover

Again, is this actually being taught to 5 year olds or is it hyperbolic scaremongering? The Stonewall lesson plans for primary children only mention the word "trans" twice, both times in teacher notes to say that when a child describes their family, they might mention a parent being trans.

There is a lot of very dodgy stuff being taught to 5 year olds.

Some of it is highlighted here:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf

I belong to a few pastoral groups on FB and whenever people ask advice re supporting a trans child, unfortunately there is always a overwhelming response of ‘Mermaids’, well intentioned, but woefully misinformed.

So if a man transitions to female which toilet is she allowed to use? Or is she not allowed to use any? Does she still have to use a male toilet and get abuse or use a women's toilet and get abuse?

I need bed, I'm getting wound up haha.

Does she have a female penis?

@OppsUpsSide or a male vagina?

Born males should not be using the women's toilets, no matter how they present or what they consider their identity to be. Women are not a shield to hide behind.

@Jumpers268

So if a man transitions to female which toilet is she allowed to use? Or is she not allowed to use any? Does she still have to use a male toilet and get abuse or use a women's toilet and get abuse?

I need bed, I'm getting wound up haha.

Whenever I've asked this, I've always been told they should go to the toilet of their assigned sex. Also, been told that things like this are perfectly fine and they wouldn't kick up a fuss because it's a trans man.

I would definitely think man if I saw him in the toilets.
But apparently it's all good, he's born a woman so all fine (how would you even know?!)

If you have a penis you need to be in the toilets of a penis-haver. They should be perfectly able to ‘police’ this themselves, what with it being their own genitalia.

And whose going to square up to him?

How would you even know as in how are people envisaging this getting "policed"

How have such a tiny minority achieved such influence ? People have been brainwashed into thinking that these people are the freedom fighters; they are reactionary and misogynistic.

I often think this too. Insane influence for what is presumably a teeny tiny group of outliers.

I have visions of babies being born in the near future and midwives being too afraid to announce the sex: Congratulations! It's a "they"

I wonder if a trans woman would so confidently take such a selfie in a men’s toilet? No? And why is that...?

😂 “It’s a they”

Unfortunately, I can imagine some well intentioned but misguided parents have already requested this.

@slashlover it's beyond me. Honestly. And with my friend (she's 3 years post op) you wouldn't even know her "assigned sex". The relief she got when she could finally just use a public toilet without the dirty looks and nasty comments.

@OppsUpsSide

I wonder if a trans woman would so confidently take such a selfie in a men’s toilet? No? And why is that...?

Here you go!

Transmen do not present the risks to women that born males do. I doubt men care that much about them using mens spaces. But if they do, then that's for them to deal with.

@Erkrie

Transmen do not present the risks to women that born males do. I doubt men care that much about them using mens spaces. But if they do, then that's for them to deal with.

So you're saying that transmen can use the women's bathroom as they are not a threat? If so, how can you tell?