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DH and Stag almost week!

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drivenmadbyhomeschool · 23/02/2021 15:37

I really don't know if I ABU.

DH has just come in and asked me if I mind if he goes on a stag 'weekend' for what will actually be six days and nights to Las Vegas in November. I feel strongly that he's taking the piss massively.

Key facts are:

-We can afford it without it impacting family at all
-We have two young children, an autistic 5 year old that I am full time carer for and a 2.5 year old.

  • I have not had even a night away on my own since the children were born. He would facilitate this, but the child I am a carer for relies upon me too greatly at the moment, especially overnight. Plus all of my close friends have young families at the moment so trying to get away overnight just doesn't happen!
  • in non Covid times he often (maybe every three months) goes away for the weekend with his friends, sometimes abroad, which I don't mind
  • He hadn't seen this friend in years, they are not close we'd be very much 'evening guests' to the wedding. We've never even met his fiancée.
  • I have mentioned going to Vegas several times for our joint 40th's for a weekend as I've always wanted to go and see it and he's never been very keen, but the minutes his mates ask him he jumps at it.

This is aside from the fact that I think generally when you're nearly 40 years old and have a young family with a disabled child it's completely unnecessary to bugger off for nearly a week on a glorified piss up.

Before anyone accuses me of being overly controlling, he has a sport hobby and another leisure hobby that I have no objection to, and generally he's a good father and we have a good relationship. I just think this is a step too bloody far. I do have some leisure time of my own, but really it can't be equal at the moment. I certainly couldn't disappear for a week!

Thoughts?

OP posts:
exaltedwombat · 24/02/2021 17:25

You can afford it but because you can't, he mustn't?

ExhaustedFlamingo · 24/02/2021 17:30

@BoomShakeShake Brill post - I was just coming here to say similar.

It’s great that people are making suggestions but when parents of autistic kids are telling you it’s not possible, listen.

I am my children’s safe place. My DP is hands on, present and lovely. My children (both autistic but DS has much higher care needs) adore him. But after 11yrs of experience he still cannot spot triggers or figure out what to do when it all goes boom. He tries bless him, he really tries. He’s been on the same autism parenting courses as me, read the same books but he still gets it very very wrong. His character and personality is very different to mine, and that’s the crux of it. There only so much you can change through learning.

To give an example, over the years I have been head butted full on in the face, slapped hard, been bitten - and not flickered or wavered. Because I trained myself to focus on the crisis. Things aren’t that bad now and despite what I just said, my DS was never intentionally violent. When he was melting down he’d be completed overwhelmed and just thrash and lash out without realising. When he saw that he’d hurt someone he’d be so horrified with himself it would escalate all over again because he’d be so full of self-hate for hurting someone he loves. He would literally smash his own head on the floor repeatedly. We had a&e trips where I couldn’t get to him in time. Things are easier now but of course, life is still massively challenging.

My DS found going to his (special needs) school traumatic. I used to have to carry him in screaming at the start of term. As the weeks went by it got easier but every Sunday night we’d have hours of tears and anxiety. Then the holidays came and be relaxed. Then, when it was time to go back to school we’d be right back at the start with the kicking and screaming. Rinse and repeat.

Sure, there are certain scenarios like doing a school run where you can go through a really hard and distressing time to manage an adjustment. But then you need to keep doing it. All the time. If the Op’s partner does the school runs for a while and they go through all the pain, and then he goes back to the office, all that anxiety all the distress will have been for nothing. Lots of our kids don’t “carry” that knowledge. It’s all or nothing. It’s so frustrating when people keep saying “just fo it”.

Do you really think we haven’t tried? Do you really think we love to martyr ourselves? We know we have to expose our children to extreme anxiety and distress just to manage the smallest thing. And yes I panic like mad about what would happen if I had to go into hospital or died. It is what it is. We continue to try and develop strategies and we hope that things will get easier. But what really doesn’t help is people just insisting that if we just did it, it would be fine and then we could piss off for a week guilt free too.

I need to mute this thread. This is way too close to home for me and the suggestion that I’ve just not tried hard enough is infuriating.

Sorry OP, I really hope your DH sees how inconsiderate he’s being but honestly, I doubt it.

SinkGirl · 24/02/2021 17:30

@exaltedwombat

You can afford it but because you can't, he mustn't?
Nothing like jumping in on page 13 of a thread without having even bothered to read the OPs post, eh? 🙄
Twixmas · 24/02/2021 17:32

You need an equal amount of time off for all the hobby time and boys weekends and yes a full week of respite in return for his stag.

If he can organise and afford all those events he can organise and support for you.

I appreciate with a child with additional needs its more complex but the principle stands and id be cautious marrying someone so reluctant to share care in this way. It won't change.

Margerine78 · 24/02/2021 17:33

This is why I am single...I would hate to have to ask permission to go away for less than a week but on the flip-side I'd hate to be the OP also and left behind with so much responsibility with no discussion of them getting a break too.

BitOfFun · 24/02/2021 17:34

I totally hear you, @ExhaustedFlamingo SadFlowers.

Sk8ermum3000 · 24/02/2021 17:41

Solution- sounds like he’s made up his mind and would do something else at some point if he didn’t do this. Tell him it’s fine BUT you will want the equivalent cash spend for yourself (hotel/gambling/flight/going out) and you also need him to take you to your choice of venue for the same time period at a time of your choice. I appreciate that you need to take your kids (could you ask grandparents to help?) He needs to know that what he gets, you also get. Even if you do a few weekend trips or lovely nights out - make your share add up. He has to take double time off work so might think again....but that would be entirely reasonable. If he says he can’t take the time, he should question his actions. I’m sorry you’re in this situation and frankly, men have a habit of ring fencing their play time. Don’t try to change him - be cleverer or leave....good luck. PS he may say he works...well I think you do too and probably unpaid xx

Five67Eight · 24/02/2021 17:42

Bluntness - you’re really not helping.

In normal times, I’d probably want to go, too.

But I have two NT kids who are easy to look after, and DH would manage just fine.

That’s really not the case for the OP, right?

ExhaustedFlamingo · 24/02/2021 17:43

@BitOfFun thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️

Gilld69 · 24/02/2021 17:46

im more concerned he goes away every 3 months , my hubby would be in his element going just once every 3 years , i think he should jib his mates and take his lovely wife for a well deserved break

Jeeperscreepers69 · 24/02/2021 17:47

Don't be "that" wife. It's only a week. Jesus @drivenmadbyhomeschool

karalou2 · 24/02/2021 17:49

My first reaction was that he's really pushing his luck! But then I realised that my husband went to Miami on a rugby tour (playing, he wouldn't even have asked to go on a 'jolly' as a spectator) when I was very pregnant with our 4th child and the others were aged 1, 2 and 3. But he played rugby when I met and married him so I knew what to expect. In a way, this isn't much different. You each have your own strands of life, you both knew that.
But you seem to think DH is incapable of looking after your son. That's a problem that has to change.... you need as much support as possible with a disabled child so start now to build a network around you if you ever want to do things alone or with your husband in the future....

jwpetal · 24/02/2021 17:52

It is so difficult when there are routines involved. There are moments that it feels like you could let some control go. For example, your dh covering you while you get your jab. So she misses a class. For a child so young is that a real issue? She can miss and they can do something together. Also, those times that are difficult they need to work through it and you need time on your own. I would say , really try to sit to find a way that you get equal time off. It may take awhile to work it in, but can happen. As for Las Vegas, I do agree that that is a big trip. The jet lag is killer so it will really take its toll on you with no reprieve. I just really think that passing some things on to him to let them work out their way is also important.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 24/02/2021 17:54

@drivenmadbyhomeschool I have an autistic child and I totally understand you.

I haven't RTFT but I have read all your posts. I really just wanted to come on here to tell you about my cousin. He went on a TEN DAY stag to Las Vegas. When his first child was three weeks old. When his wife was very heavily pregnant he had to go on a 'pre-stag planning weekend'. Everyone I have ever told about this story thinks he's a total twat for it all. I have no idea why she didn't threaten to leave him as there is no fucking way DH would even have asked to do that, let alone me say it was fine. It took her parents years to forgive him.

Frankly, it makes no difference whether or not you could do the same. It's a crap thing to do to your partner. It's thoughtless. Doing stuff like this is something you sacrifice when you have young children.

cheeseismydownfall · 24/02/2021 17:56

jeepers, seriously??

I've been following this thread and I am simply gobsmacked by how naïve and judgemental some posters are.

My children and NT and I cannot possibly understand the challenges of parenting a non-NT child, but I have enough imagination to recognise that I cannot understand it and to shut the fuck up when posters like boomshakeshake and exhaustedflamingo explain their lived experiences.

harknesswitch · 24/02/2021 18:04

I completely understand why you're not keen on him going, especially for this length of time with young children. I'd say my piece and then leave it up to him to decide. There's not much else you can do really.

This for me is the bit that stood out

I have mentioned going to Vegas several times for our joint 40th's for a weekend as I've always wanted to go and see it and he's never been very keen, but the minutes his mates ask him he jumps at it.

I'd be really pissed if at him for this.

oil0W0lio · 24/02/2021 18:05

@seven30

Why have stag nights turned into weekends turned into whole bloody holidays? It's a bit ridiculous
because men want to spend a holiday indulging themselves away from their partners and children and turning a stag do into a long holiday seems like a good way to get it under the radar?
oil0W0lio · 24/02/2021 18:07

Doing stuff like this is something you sacrifice when you have young children
no no, sacrifices are for the women, men get to carry on as if they are free and single
do keep up now!

SinkGirl · 24/02/2021 18:09

@Jeeperscreepers69

Don't be "that" wife. It's only a week. Jesus *@drivenmadbyhomeschool*
What a disgusting thing to say - which I’m sure you would not have said if you’d actually bothered to read even just the OPs posts throughout the thread.

Clearly you not one speck of an idea what it’s like to be the main carer for a disabled child, how much pressure that is and how difficult life is when you are the only person who can take on that responsibility.

I have had more than one breakdown coping with all the things involved in basic care for my twins, let alone all the other stuff (DLA, EHCPs, tribunals, medical tests, having to take your child in for a general anaesthetic because they’ve put stuff in their ears and you can’t get near them to get it out, being the one who has to be there for the hospital stays where they have to fast and you can’t explain why, etc etc etc).

OP is not “that wife” but you are definitely being “that poster” with your ignorant bullshit.

GabsAlot · 24/02/2021 18:14

ive been to vegas with my dh plenty of time-its usually great not right now of course-

you dont need a week for a stag its notnecessary- espeically a friend he hardly sees if it was a close friend then maybe but it sounds like he just wants to go on a jolly
and yes it will cost thousands is he willing t spend that on you and the kids aswell

StormcloakNord · 24/02/2021 18:19

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Sonicbloom · 24/02/2021 18:20

@cheeseismydownfall

jeepers, seriously??

I've been following this thread and I am simply gobsmacked by how naïve and judgemental some posters are.

My children and NT and I cannot possibly understand the challenges of parenting a non-NT child, but I have enough imagination to recognise that I cannot understand it and to shut the fuck up when posters like boomshakeshake and exhaustedflamingo explain their lived experiences.

Totally agree. I don’t think a lot of those posters are reading this thread properly or simply can’t appreciate this ops child situation
Middersweekly · 24/02/2021 18:25

Both myself and DH have had to turn down offers of long stag/ hen weekends when the DC were small. It’s not only unfair under the OP’s circumstances as she is not able to go away with friends herself, but also takes away from the family pot of money. That money could be spend on a really nice family holiday instead!

Nothing7 · 24/02/2021 18:27

I think you’re entirely fair to feel this is taking the p! It’s 6 days, it’s an insane amount of money to just want to spend on himself.

But the thing I would be disappointed about is that you’ve been asking for years to go there together - and experience it together as a new thing. Him going first will mean he’s meh about the whole experience and will be potentially be choosy about what you do as he might have already done it.

Or he might drag his heels about going again because he’s done it.

I was offered the chance to go to New York as a work jolly. I turned it down. Firstly because I really wanted to go with my husband and experience it together and also because my kids were 1 year and 4. I didn’t think it was right.

I’m so glad I didn’t as hubby surprised me to a trip there and we had a magical time experiencing it together.

I do think stag do’s are ridiculous these days, and me and hubby have had times where it’s become awkward because we couldn’t afford some of them or justify it for a passing friend. He never missed a real friends stag though. Incidentally there was a plan for Vegas. He wanted to go. We couldn’t afford it and in the end I said if he can work out a budget and is prepared to be choosy about other things he does then he can make the choice. He eventually pulled out, as did everyone as it was ridiculous and it didn’t happen - they went somewhere in Europe which meant more people could go.

Icancelledthecheque · 24/02/2021 18:27

DH tried to pull something similar a few years ago, expecting me to sit at home with four under 5s and working FT whilst he went off on a week long jolly.

I told him if he wanted to act like a single person, he was welcome to be one. Otherwise, he has responsibilities to his family first and foremost. The odd day or two is okay, a week long bender is just selfish.

Fine when you’re child free and young. Not fine when you have kids at home and you’re pushing 40.

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