AIBU to think Gina Carano shouldn’t have been fired?

[NinaMimi]

Apologies if this has been asked before as the story was out yesterday. I did search and couldn’t find it.

I think the actor said some really stupid things and I don’t agree with her politics but I haven’t seen anything that crossed the line. The worse thing seems to have been comparing hating someone for their political beliefs to the persecution of the Jews in Germany- which is monumentally dumb, but that just reads to me like they’re not an intelligent person rather than anti-jewish.

Opinions?

I’m also a big fan of Clint Eastwood who comes across as a right wing nut but I don’t think anyone is going to cancel him. I wonder if there’s a level of fame you need to say dumb things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-56022084

I think she crossed a line and if you're working for Disney you have to be more careful. Holocaust comparisons are just not okay. I don't think she was fired, but rather her contract hasn't been renewed.

I didn't know about Clint Eastwood's right wing leanings, off to Google in a moment. What does strike me is the age of mysterious untouchable movie stars has well and truly gone. Their management companies must be driven demented trying to get them to keep their unpopular /homophobic/right wing/left wing (whatever!!) opinions to themselves. Gone are the days where all you had to do was turn up looking glamorous and then waft mysteriously back to your gated mansion.
Also I suspect Clint Eastwood =Rich old Man,
Gina Carron = Woman. (I don't actually know her at all, and only vaguely aware of what she said. On first reading she sounded a tad confused more than anything else)

When you have a good gig in a high-profile industry it's probably better to keep your opinions off twitter.
Media companies only fire people if they see a threat to their profits - follow the cash.
She is now free to express her views as she wishes.

If you work for Disney you can’t post controversial stuff all over social media, especially if you’ve already been warned.

To be fair someone who worked for Tesco would probably be in breach of a social media policy if they starting posting that kind of thing and a member of the public complained.

I read it as that she was trying to say, in a clumsy and not especially articulate way, which is probably to be expected of an actor making a statement without any professional PR representation, something along the lines of “if we continue down the route of ‘cancelling’ people simply because they say something we disagree with, we risk eventually ending up in a situation where people are denied a voice and criminalised for having a point of view which goes against the accepted discourse, and this is, historically, how oppressive and dangerous regimes begin to take hold.” Using the Holocaust as a comparator is ill-advised and inept (and I am Jewish, and always cringe at it), but I don’t think she was actually saying “disliking people because of their political views is persecution just like Hitler persecuting the Jews.”

Perhaps I’m crediting her with more ideological finesse than she actually has, but I’m not convinced this is the kind of thing we should be sacking people over.

Personally, no. It was a dumb take to post on social media given the whole cancel culture going on (which I notice is now being branded 'consequence culture', same difference, just make the twitter mobs sound more self righteous so no wonder). After she refused to state her pronouns her card was marked.

I don't agree with her views 100%, but that isn't a reason to be fired (and dropped from your agency, which she was). I could see her point, which was before any of the atrocities of WW2 happened, the rhetoric of setting up your friends and neighbours as the enemy, for what they believed, was happening.

What struck me is a tweet has emerged from Pedro Pascal, comparing America to concentration camps. (Although the photo he used to compare was not from a US detention centre.) Not a word from Disney/Lucasfilm. In fact, new tv role for him. He has a trans sibling, pronouns in bio, so untouchable clearly. Seeing the celebs raise him up on twitter while having obvious digs at Gina. Mark R for example, quote tweeting a thinly veiled woohoo Pedro, down with Gina.

And James Gunn, initially fired but bought back. Apologised, has a penis, he's ok. I doubt if Gina apologised she'd be back, doesn't happen for women.

Be interesting to see if anything happens to Joss Whedons career, who actually DID abusive things, rather than give an opinion that riled up twitter. I know twitter has also called for his head, but the decision lies with the film/tv execs.

should say allegedly rather than actually, silly me

I think she crossed a line and if you're working for Disney you have to be more careful. Holocaust comparisons are just not okay. I don't think she was fired, but rather her contract hasn't been renewed.

That’s what I read. They just didn’t renew her contract which who could blame them. Many Americans scream free speech but forget the part that it is pertaining to the government not being able to stop citizens from speaking. Businesses are more than allowed to do what they choose when it comes to what their employees say. I would be very surprised if there wasn’t some sort of clause in her contract about social media especially with it being Disney. She probably breached her contract with this and instead of firing her, they didn’t renew her contract. Not sure what she was thinking though in making such comparisons. She’s old enough to know better.

Well, Mandalorian did sack her and her talent agency dropped her.
But a # to sack her started trending when she refused to publicly support BLM.

Her fatal tweets were a series and are reported to have said:
Go here: www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1396532/Gina-Carano-post-tweets-Twitter-The-Mandalorian-star-wars

My thought are that by sacking her and her being hated and cancelled, thus preventing her from working to earn a living, Disney has sadly proved her point.

There are a lot of jobs where you would be disciplined for airing extreme political views. I’m a teacher and I would face issues if I had posted what she had!! They did the right thing not renewing her contract imo.

She didn’t actually compare to Holocaust. She clumsily described 1930s preHolocaust Germany treatment of Jewish people.

Of course she should have been fired. She will have been warned after her prior social media faux pas. She continued to post offensive things. Comparing being a Republican in the US to being a Jewish person in German during the Holocaust - complete with violent imagery of Jewish people being chased and beaten - is monumentally stupid and horrifically offensive. If I posted something like that I'd be fired and I'm not even in the public eye.

They're a private company who can sack anyone for going against their employment policies. Which is likely what she did. That's the reality of it.

She's against wearing masks to prevent covid 19, and believes a lot of the conspiracy theories Trump had shared on his social media accounts. Bit stupid opinion to have.

This was just the last controversial tweet she's posted.

YANBU. It's outrageous.

I don't believe that people should be sacked for expressing their opinion on their own social media. Free speech should mean just that, so long as you aren't causing actual physical harm to other people, thus inhibiting their rights.
People are not owned by their employer, although you'd never know it from the amount of cancel culture that exists.

It’s the US where employment is at will so you can be sacked at any time for any reason (other than protected discrimination factors like race, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, or religion).

So yes Disney had the right to sack her.

Yeah we need to see what they do about Joss Whedon.
Although to Disney it seems having a thought is far worse than actual abuse.

Who's Gina Carano?

Off to Google.

Ah well at least Disney rehired James Gunn...

I don't agree with a lot of her views and I think she's very silly to confuse the legal right to say what she wants with the freedom of consequences of what she says. She is employed by a company that curate their image very carefully. She was warned, she carried on. She is no longer employed. She still has the right to say what she wants but now she's not employed any more.

It is concerning that your employer can dictate which beliefs you are allowed to espouse though, and I'm not sure where the line should be drawn.

There's very little support on Social Media for Joss Whedon- even from the Fan boys.

Unlike Marilyn Manson whose warped incel supporters are crawling out from rocks blinking in the light and spouting their women hating filth

I think comparing being a Conservative in the US to being a Jewish person during the Holocaust in Nazi Germany is absolutely a fireable offence. She's expressed her questionable conservative views before, faced backlash and still kept her job but I absolutely agree that antisemitism should not be tolerated. Not to mention her previous support for the unfounded claims the US election was stolen. Disney made the right call,
especially considering they're questionable history in regards to antisemitism.

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I don't believe that people should be sacked for expressing their opinion on their own social media. Free speech should mean just that, so long as you aren't causing actual physical harm to other people, thus inhibiting their rights. People are not owned by their employer, although you'd never know it from the amount of cancel culture that exists.

Free speech means you can say whatever you want in the sense that the government cannot imprison you/prevent you from voicing your opinions. It doesn’t mean that you can say whatever offensive bullshit you want and be free of consequences.

If you post offensive things on social media, if you compare your ‘persecution’ with the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany and accompany that with an image of a Jewish woman literally being attacked in the street - don’t be surprised that people don’t want to buy your product, have you on their show, etc.

Being an actor on a TV show isn’t a human right, and free speech also comes with responsibilities.

It’s Disney, it’s a brand and most people would know that certain things just won’t fly. It wouldn’t have hurt her to keep those opinions in check, or not blast them on social media at least, but it’s hurt her career big time because she chose to publicise them. That’s the consequence, and it was her choice, knowing full well what working for the Disney brand entailed. (Even though its Star Wars and she’s not playing a Disney princess. Still applies)