AIBU to think Gina Carano shouldn’t have been fired?

[NinaMimi]

Apologies if this has been asked before as the story was out yesterday. I did search and couldn’t find it.

I think the actor said some really stupid things and I don’t agree with her politics but I haven’t seen anything that crossed the line. The worse thing seems to have been comparing hating someone for their political beliefs to the persecution of the Jews in Germany- which is monumentally dumb, but that just reads to me like they’re not an intelligent person rather than anti-jewish.

Opinions?

I’m also a big fan of Clint Eastwood who comes across as a right wing nut but I don’t think anyone is going to cancel him. I wonder if there’s a level of fame you need to say dumb things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-56022084

Left wing narrative is that anyone with concerns about freedom of speech = hardcore right wing bigot.
This is why the conservatives keep wining elections - the left won't distance themselves from the crazies who happen to also be left wing.

How has her free speech been impeded?

It's tricky with social media

Firstly I don't know much about her but don't think I like her views from what I have picked up. I do agree that she is being judged harsher than men in similar situations but think the bar should by higher for them not lowered for her.

She was able to share her views with all her followers, including lots of followers she presumably only has because she appeared in Disney shows so I can see why they feel they should dissociate her from their brand.

If she had been small town Gina with 200 followers it would be different but also as PPs have said I have a contract with a social media clause in a normal job which could affect my employment if they didn't agree with how I was using social media

If you can't publically support a mainstream position or political party without risk of being viewed as not employable for it then I would have thought it's quite obvious that free speech doesn't really exist.

And she wasn't really cancelled for the Nazi comparison as her co worker did this too but the other way around and was not cancelled.

Why was one acceptable but not the other?
We know why.

And lol at the 'all the Mumsnet White Supremacists' comment in light of and response to Gina's sacking for overwrought Nazi comparisons!! 🤣🤣

Can you really not see the irony???

@Graciebobcat

Yes, that's what right whingers always say. Have a

I’m actually middle left on the political spectrum, no where near the centre or left wing. But this idea that nationalism and fascism only happen on the far right is not settled by any means. There are numerous books, studies and debates on the subject by promininent thinkers on political and economic systems.

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning By Jonah Goldberg

Anatomy of fascism by Robert Paxton

On Anarchism by Noam Chomsky

Also the Washington Connection and third world fascism by Noam Chomsky.

Liberal fascism and the tolerance myth by Andy Brown

Fascism, Right and Left by Hugh Seton-Watson

Fascism takes from both the left and the right. It’s really a third approach that leads to totalitarianism.

*no where near centre or right wing. Unfortunate typo there. But I’ve done the political spectrum test and I’m closer to far left than the centre of the left wing. Fascists can hijack any political party on either wing. Left are not immune to it.

I don’t align with her political views but actually liked her stance on pronouns. The current outrage over her comments feels a bit weird to me because her actual point was actually quite salient. People often are so quick to jump up and shout down anyone who references the events in Nazi Germany, instead of actually taking the time to listen and see the bigger picture. My family were directly affected by the pogroms. However, my great grandparents were very astute and did recognise the terrifying trend. Some of my relatives decided to liquidate their assets and leave in the late twenties, some left in the aftermath of the NSDAP gaining the majority in the Weimarer Republic but only after having their properties and companies seized. The problem with a lot of debates is that people start witch hunts without even bothering to pay attention to the points someone made. J K Rowling’s measured essay wasn’t even read by most of her detractors. In a weird way, the OTT reaction to Gina Carano’s commentary underlines her point. I read her argument, as that the actual death camps did not just spring up overnight in isolation, nor did the fanaticism of the anti-Semites and this was a long-term, very deliberate mass propaganda effort to stir up deep hatred, pandering to old insecurities, envy, and playing up to existing prejudice. All of which is historically accurate. Goebbels established a propaganda film department in the early 30s, even seeking permission to film in Polish Ghettos before any military offensive. Some of the rhetoric to stir up hatred against Jewish international financiers is still alive and well to this day. In perhaps a clumsy way, the point I felt she made that there is a danger of constant and gradual indoctrination against any specific group over a period of time before it might erupt into a more sinister and terrifying conclusion with open hatred. But then maybe I give her intellectually too much credit...

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Left wing narrative is that anyone with concerns about freedom of speech = hardcore right wing bigot. This is why the conservatives keep wining elections - the left won't distance themselves from the crazies who happen to also be left wing.

Precisely. The Left's love of banning, de-platforming and censoring everything it disagrees with, is ultimately self defeating.

@Krampusnolongerbabysits you're right they only proved her point by firing her
Also dont know if anyone this but mentioned didn't Tim Allen say the say exact thing recently and no one cared

Is Tim Allen currently as high profile as Gina?

The right wing here and in the US have fallen for their own bullshit about how persecuted and censored they are, newspapers and tv channels dedicated to telling conservatives how persecuted and censored they are, telling them over and over in lots and lots of different forms of media telling them they must speak up because there being censored, she fell for it and did and didnt get rehired.

Still cant figure out what makes it a free speech issue

@JustAnotherPoster00
Hah I thought Tim would be a bigger star as he has been around longer but this is star wars so I guess shes more famous.
The right are censored to some degree
I dont see censorship for the radical left
And they are not as censored as the government would like them to be.
I agree that she screwed herself but I like to think she decided choose between job security and standing up for her own beliefs

For me It is the hypocrisy
Disney filmed and thanked the province of china where they keep the concentration camps.
Doesnt that two facedness make you mad?
And then they fire her for mentioning the Jewish ones. I dont think they should recast her if they wanted her gone so bad they should live with it.

She’d been given a warning last year about homophobic, transphobic and anti-mask tweets. She’d also had warnings for her on set behaviour.
Comparing the holocaust to being a republican in the USA was just the last straw for Disney and Lucas film

I can imagine the kind of PMs and harassment she recieved when she initially refused to put her pronouns on her Twitter feed after her co-star Pedro Pascal did. From what I can see this is where the problems started.

She comes across as not being the sharpest tool in the box but I can see what she is trying to say albeit in a very ill advised way. Disney were very hypocritical to fire her, if they really gave a shit about Jewish people they would have had a total rebrand rather than keeping the name of a known anti semite. There would have been a financial reason for getting rid of her.

@NinaMimi
My theory is it's not about level of fame but
About always saying the same things.
No one thinks of bill burr as woke but he wont be fired.
Because he has always been that way you know what to expect from him.

I can imagine the kind of PMs and harassment she recieved when she initially refused to put her pronouns on her Twitter feed

She didnt refuse she put beep/bop/boop as her pronouns

Its almost as if some here havent read up on whats actually going on, just a reaction to - right wing woman being censored fReEdOm oF sPeEcH

@JustAnotherPoster00

I can imagine the kind of PMs and harassment she recieved when she initially refused to put her pronouns on her Twitter feed

She didnt refuse she put beep/bop/boop as her pronouns

Its almost as if some here havent read up on whats actually going on, just a reaction to - right wing woman being censored fReEdOm oF sPeEcH

She eventually put beep bop bop down after several weeks of being harassed over absence of pronouns.

(It was quite funny!)

I think it was mainly the anti mask and anti lockdown stuff that finished her off as far as lucas film and disney were concerned, all though the irony of her being anti mask on a show all about a guy who never takes his off (I know its a helmet but still )

This is the way

@DaisyHeadMaisy

I can imagine the kind of PMs and harassment she recieved when she initially refused to put her pronouns on her Twitter feed after her co-star Pedro Pascal did. From what I can see this is where the problems started.

She comes across as not being the sharpest tool in the box but I can see what she is trying to say albeit in a very ill advised way. Disney were very hypocritical to fire her, if they really gave a shit about Jewish people they would have had a total rebrand rather than keeping the name of a known anti semite. There would have been a financial reason for getting rid of her.

Pedro Pascal put his pronouns on his profile as at the time he’s sibling was non-binary, they have recently started to transition. The pronouns are separate from the other warnings she had for onset behaviour and other statements.

She said Pedro Pascal explained the actual significance to her and she decided it was still an awesome joke and snowflakes need to grow up, probably didnt help herself

She eventually put beep bop bop down after several weeks of being harassed over absence of pronouns.

(It was quite funny!)

To be honest when there are supposedly 100 genders, why can't she make her own up if people are bullying her to provide pronouns. If Pedro Pascal wanted to put his pronouns in support of his sibling then that's up to him. As a woman in sport she probably has a different opinion about what it means to be a women, why was it OK to bully her. Having seen what was said about JK Rowling publicly I'm sure we can all imagine the types of messeges sent her way.

*woman

I like her. I don't agree with a lot of what she says, but that woman gives no fucks

The tangled hypocrisy (Walt being an anti-Semite, Uighur camps, Pedro Pascal/James Gunn, as well as supporting the open anti white comments by Krystina Arielle) is what sticks in my throat. If you're going to stick to principles as a corporation, at least be consistent. Right now Disney are only proving Gina's point.

@Sparklfairy
Yes exactly!
Woke corporatism is just the worst.
They dont care about anything but profit
And I rather they stopped pretending they do.