AIBU to think Gina Carano shouldn’t have been fired?

[NinaMimi]

Apologies if this has been asked before as the story was out yesterday. I did search and couldn’t find it.

I think the actor said some really stupid things and I don’t agree with her politics but I haven’t seen anything that crossed the line. The worse thing seems to have been comparing hating someone for their political beliefs to the persecution of the Jews in Germany- which is monumentally dumb, but that just reads to me like they’re not an intelligent person rather than anti-jewish.

Opinions?

I’m also a big fan of Clint Eastwood who comes across as a right wing nut but I don’t think anyone is going to cancel him. I wonder if there’s a level of fame you need to say dumb things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-56022084

To be clear, I am not suggesting that Gina Carano should be sent to Siberia. I also have no idea why you think I see this as ‘the only unreasonable outcome.’

I did not for a single second think you were suggesting she was sent to Siberia.

What annoys me about people who whine about cancel culture is that Gina Carano had every right to say what she wants. Disney had every right to (correctly) assume that a vast swathe of their audience would find what she's said offensive, and therefore they don't want to work with her any more.

Those are just the consequences of her actions. She's not been 'cancelled', she is still free to say what she likes. But people are free not to work with her in future if what she says contradicts their views or would harm them financially if they went into business with her.

It's not oppression or silencing. Businesses do not have to work with people who may harm them. People do not have to like actors who say things they don't agree with.

I work in financial services/mortgages. I have a lot of views which directly contradict those of my peers in the industry and some quite strong opinions about them. I keep my mouth shut because I like my job. If I came out and said I think being a landlord is a morally bankrupt thing to do, and lost my job because I was causing trouble with our partners, that's not me being cancelled, it's an obvious and predictable consequence to my actions.

You haven't seen anything that crossed the line??!!

She's a fucking Qanon nutter?! A few weeks back these fuckers were forcing their way into the senate, gouging out Policeman's eyes out and torturing the, with the point of a fucking flag pole!!!

She has a following, unfortunately, so the bollox she spouts is sucked up by millions.

Comparing the current Democratic rule of the US to Nazi Germany?!! Do me a fucking favour!! Especially when Trump is a bloody Putin wannabe!

Why the feck would Disney want their name connected to shit like that?

She's a fucking Qanon nutter?! A few weeks back these fuckers were forcing their way into the senate, gouging out Policeman's eyes out and torturing the, with the point of a fucking flag pole!!!

I don’t know what she believes, but unless she did any of those things, she has been fired for her opinions.

Those are just the consequences of her actions.

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[quote picklemewalnuts]@BelleHathor those open secret tweets are sickening.[/quote]
Very much so, the James Gunn tweets about children are sick, but I guess he is on the "right" side of the political spectrum. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I think there are very few places in the world that have true freedom of speech

It doesn’t matter how progressive a country or a company thinks it is you have to watch what you say and who you say it to at all times .

@TakeTheCuntOutOfScunthorpe

You can't compare the suffering of any other group to that of the Jews in the Holocaust. You are going be called an anti-semite and are going to get fired if you do. It's one of those untouchable subjects, and regardless of whether you think it's just or not, you should know not to go anywhere near it.

Unless they are illegal immigrants detained at the US-Mexico border when apparently it is alright for Congress members and media to compare the situation to Nazi concentration camps.

Can’t get worked up about this. Most entertainment companies have ‘reputation’ clauses. Disney is very strict on ensuring their actors do not damage the brand. She had been warned, she chose not to listen. I’m sure she has far money then me and will be fine. She’ll probably get a job as an entertainment correspondent on Fox ‘owning libtards’ with opinion pieces on how Jews run Hollywood and the tragedy of colour blind casting.

She absolutely crossed a line.

Always makes me shake my head just how willing people are to see others punished for their wrong think with no idea just how quickly that can turn right back on them and their "side". Fine as long as it's happening to people on "the wrong side" right folks?

‘Sides’ are for sports teams. People who vote for a party then declare an identity aligned to that party as though it were a protected characteristic and blindly agree with everything that party does are usually pretty dumb.

Celebs should stay the hell out of politics, is my opinion. They are using social media far to often to air their political views to their following. Their following tend not have minds of their own and suck up every word the celebs say. They are entertainers, and should stick to what they know best.

@whoamongstus

What annoys me about people who whine about cancel culture is that Gina Carano had every right to say what she wants. Disney had every right to (correctly) assume that a vast swathe of their audience would find what she's said offensive, and therefore they don't want to work with her any more.

Those are just the consequences of her actions. She's not been 'cancelled', she is still free to say what she likes. But people are free not to work with her in future if what she says contradicts their views or would harm them financially if they went into business with her.

It's not oppression or silencing. Businesses do not have to work with people who may harm them. People do not have to like actors who say things they don't agree with.

I work in financial services/mortgages. I have a lot of views which directly contradict those of my peers in the industry and some quite strong opinions about them. I keep my mouth shut because I like my job. If I came out and said I think being a landlord is a morally bankrupt thing to do, and lost my job because I was causing trouble with our partners, that's not me being cancelled, it's an obvious and predictable consequence to my actions.

Can I surmise from this that you are economically pretty left wing and anti-capital? Because I am too (also in financial services and yes I keep my mouth shut about my political views at work, as is prudent), and my view is that whilst Disney are within their rights not to renew her contract, and she will probably be fine, I'm deeply uncomfortable with the general idea that someone can lose their income and therefore their economic means of survival because of their views. It's essentially another weapon that can be wielded by corporations against the working man, and it's happened to all sorts of people who probably don't have the financial cushion that Gina has.

Firstly, I do think she crossed a line and have some concerns about anyone who doesn't.

Secondly, people complaining about 'cancelling' seem to forget that no one has to employ you, or host your content, or give you a platform to spread your message. If person A has the right to say whatever they damn well want, person B has the right to decide they want nothing to do with them now they have expressed that view. If it's all about freedom, well, that goes both ways. You have the freedom to say it, I have the freedom to refuse to engage with you afterwards.

@peachgreen

Of course she should have been fired. She will have been warned after her prior social media faux pas. She continued to post offensive things. Comparing being a Republican in the US to being a Jewish person in German during the Holocaust - complete with violent imagery of Jewish people being chased and beaten - is monumentally stupid and horrifically offensive. If I posted something like that I'd be fired and I'm not even in the public eye.

Agree. It's so offensive.

She has totally drunk the Trump "we are so persecuted" Kool-aid.

She’s not having her contract renewed on a Disney show, she’s not been sent off to Siberia. And suggesting that her ‘survival’ is at risk is ludicrous. I have no doubt she’ll be cast in other shows in the future, and I’m sure enjoy her new found fame as a ‘freedom fighter standing up to the snowflakes!’ on the chat show circuit.
And if - God forbid! - I’m wrong and people decide NOT to cast her again, she could get any other bloody job in the world outside acting. No-one is entitled to be cast in anything. I’m unfamiliar with the human rights provision that says we all have the right to support ourselves by having our dream job. I’ll be a supermodel, please.

It's disingenuous to say she's just not having her contract renewed. The character was due to be developed in the next season iirc. She's being denied work in her chosen field, the means by which she earns money, which is necessary for survival. Sacking people for expressing unpopular opinions has become so widespread, I doubt that she will be able to work as an actress easily - too many employers are too scared of Twitter bullies to stick their necks out and hire a person who has become the subject of controversy amongst Twitter mobs.
I don't think contracts should be allowed to exercise such control over employees. As a society we ought to have the intelligence to not confuse actors and roles and to understand that the opinions of individuals are not representative of whole organisations. Surely only an idiot would think that this woman's opinion is representative of Disney and we shouldn't be pandering to idiots.
To me it's not the same as directly undermining your employer to a client as stated in the example above with the poster who works in financial services who would not share her opinion of landlords with her clients.
I'm not at all comfortable with the notion that your employer can inhibit your freedom of expression regarding issues unrelated to the company/job. A person should only lose employment if they have directly caused financial loss or damage to the employer - I don't think Disney could legitimately claim that. The only thing Disney has done is to illustrate it's weakness when under pressure - I'd have do much more respect if they said they disagree but respect their employees right to her opinion.
It is also concerning that their disassociation from employees is not consistent.

You have the freedom to say it, I have the freedom to refuse to engage with you afterwards.

Ordinarily I would agree with this and it's fine in a social context, but we now seem to living in a society where people lose work because employers are scared of the backlash if they don't sack someone.
I don't know anything about this actress - had never heard of her until now, so I'm not defending her opinions, only her right to hold them without consequence.

I agree. The left use comparisons to the Nazis constantly and nobody says a word. I find it offensive but they get a free pass on everything.

This is not "cancel culture" it's "actions having consequences."

I realise Mumsnet is very big on the whole "people have every right to be massive racists and homophobes and if anyone doesn't like it tough luck snowflake" front, but that is simply not reality. In reality if you called your boss the N word or told your lesbian co-worker that gay people burn in hell, you would be fired, period.

Pretending it's a free speech issue just shows you don't have the slightest idea what "freedom of speech" actually means. Hell, I've seen plenty of posters here whining that their "free speech" has been violated just because someone disagreed with them.

Plus she is an actress. That is a totally different job from working in a call centre or as a nurse. A celebrity's entire career rests on being likeable and/or captivating to the public. There are literally millions of wonderfully talented, hard-working actors who get turned down for acting roles simply because they are overweight or have a big nose, or have small breasts, or are too tall, or too short, or have an accent which CDs feel "audiences won't connect with", or have a disability. Actors are fired/not re-hired all the time simply for gaining weight, ageing, or getting pregnant. Put your outrage there, not in defending a Trumptard.

As an actor your entire job is to make audiences want to watch you, whether that's by doing an amazing job at inhabiting a character, or coming across as a really likeable and charismatic person, making audiences laugh, or being stunningly beautiful. And yes of course Hollywood protects some people and doesn't protect others but the bottom line is: audiences do not want to see Gina Carano and will not watch her. It's exactly the same with Seyi Omooba (MNers were also claiming that her being fired for homophobic bullying and refusing to play the role as written as "censorship" and against her "freedom of speech") but acting roles are not charities for bigots. Why should LucusFilm give her money out of the goodness of their hearts when it will harm them professionally?

No one is OWED stardom or acting roles, and only .1% of aspiring actors ever 'make it.' Gina has already had more success than 99% of actors out there.

In reality if you called your boss the N word or told your lesbian co-worker that gay people burn in hell, you would be fired, period.

But in reality those are inflammatory and incendiary statements in the workplace. Actually illegal. Not so these other things.

She shared some stupid posts but I dont like cancel culture. Was she warned first and given chance to stop sharing controversial posts? I can't help feeling like men in Hollywood get away with worse

This is not "cancel culture" it's "actions having consequences."

You have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't until relatively recently either so I went away and did some reading to try and find out why I felt so uncomfortable with people being put out of work, off university courses, publicly shamed etc when on the surface it looked like they'd behaved badly. I found out all about identity politics, social justice theory and how it all fits together with things like critical race theory, queer theory, the attacks on women's sex based rights and what is really behind the riots in the US all over the summer and continuing today. It's far too complex to explain fully here but there's way more behind this than you realise and it's not as simple as "actions having consequences", it's about exactly who is deciding what actions are unacceptable - judge and jury with no way back, no chance for anyone to redeem themselves, only for them to lose absolutely everything for holding views that The Mob has decreed in acceptable. Anyone who can I see how dangerous this needs to wake up,

Tbh, I would watch a show that featured a Qanon evangelist. Can understand why Disney would want rid.

Holocaust comparisons are fine if you are talking about genocide. Otherwise no. I think it's fine for companies to expect their representatives to understand that.