AIBU to think Gina Carano shouldn’t have been fired?

[NinaMimi]

Apologies if this has been asked before as the story was out yesterday. I did search and couldn’t find it.

I think the actor said some really stupid things and I don’t agree with her politics but I haven’t seen anything that crossed the line. The worse thing seems to have been comparing hating someone for their political beliefs to the persecution of the Jews in Germany- which is monumentally dumb, but that just reads to me like they’re not an intelligent person rather than anti-jewish.

Opinions?

I’m also a big fan of Clint Eastwood who comes across as a right wing nut but I don’t think anyone is going to cancel him. I wonder if there’s a level of fame you need to say dumb things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-56022084

It doesn't matter who is offended or not, although presumably Trump was. It's a pretty crass and offensive comparison imo, however much Trump is disliked he's not on the same level as a man who had millions of people murdered.
People don't have a right to go through life not ever hearing anything they find offensive. We seem to have forgotten that.

@Jaypreen

Who is offended by that though? Scratches head

You do realise that you've just proved my point ?

Things I find offensive:

Gross men in powerful positions who use hate to incite riots. And if given time, then who knows?

Things that don’t offend me:

Someone highlighting the plight of children stuck in cages.

Sue me.

If we continue down the route of ‘cancelling’ people simply because they say something we disagree with, we risk eventually ending up in a situation where people are denied a voice and criminalised for having a point of view which goes against the accepted discourse, and this is, historically, how oppressive and dangerous regimes begin to take hold

This is what is happening right now but with females being targeted, dehumanised, denied a voice and if the ridiculous hate crime bill goes through in Scotland, actually criminalised for speaking the truth.

Gina was targeted last year by the woke stasi because she refused to put pronouns in her bio ffs. She said she respected people who did but was unnecessary for her. She was hounded and disney told to sack her.

The point she made was valid even if a little clumsy.

It's distressing to realise there's a coordinated search and destroy mission underway.

The other day #kidhitler was trending, to do with Josh Hawley, a republican. Many have tweeted about Trump being like Hitler. Now I think Trump is a dangerous arseclown that couldn't be trusted with a kids colouring book let alone the united states presidency.

But would I compare him to Hitler? No I wouldn't. If comparisons of any current political situation made against the horrors of WW2 are a big no no, that should apply to everyone.

But it doesn't, and that's the problem. If you're anti Trump, or male, you get a free pass.

I definitely agree that there is a double standard and men are treated differently to women, in this case as in so many other. Which is even more problematic when you are trying to muddy the waters defining the difference between men and women. Or rather, you are trying to claim there is no difference. Maybe Ms Carano should have identified as male?

No she shouldn't have had her contract cancelled at all. She didn't compare it to the actual holocaust but to the behaviors and manipulation of the average person that enabled the atrocities to happen. Pedro did similar comparing the detained kids to the holocaust yet as a man hes given a free pass? Probably helps his woke identity that he now has a trans sibling.

How many anti trump people screamed hes worse than Hitler lol entirely wrong but apparently ok?

She's said some things i didn't care for so I'm not a big fan and of course they have the right to sack her for her personal opinions. What kind of world would we have if people could think and say what they liked.

But this is something that really only applies to women and especially women who have refused to go along with the TWAW nonsense. I suspect that if not this then something else would have been found.

I bet she once sat next to a guy in school who went on to join the communist party.

Stupid is as stupid does.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Free speech means you can say whatever you want in the sense that the government cannot imprison you/prevent you from voicing your opinions. It doesn’t mean that you can say whatever offensive bullshit you want and be free of consequences

If the 'consequences', are being 'cancelled' from public life, then you don't have freedom of speech. If you can't work (and therefore survive) because you have expressed an opinion that more powerful people don't like, then you don't need to have a government infringing freedom of speech - the the employer does it already!
No employer should have that power.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously She’s not having her contract renewed on a Disney show, she’s not been sent off to Siberia. And suggesting that her ‘survival’ is at risk is ludicrous. I have no doubt she’ll be cast in other shows in the future, and I’m sure enjoy her new found fame as a ‘freedom fighter standing up to the snowflakes!’ on the chat show circuit. And if - God forbid! - I’m wrong and people decide NOT to cast her again, she could get any other bloody job in the world outside acting. No-one is entitled to be cast in anything. I’m unfamiliar with the human rights provision that says we all have the right to support ourselves by having our dream job. I’ll be a supermodel, please.

Only democrats are allowed to make holocaust comparisons.

I find it ironic that the words "never forget" are uttered every November 11th and yet, we so obviously HAVE forgotten, if someone can point out actual historical facts and be told they're antisemitic for mentioning them because they are also a conservative. People as a group don't like it when a mirror is held up to society and they see themselves not as the heroes of the piece but as the background angry mob as the muck hits the windmill.

And we have to bear in mind the severity of what she did. She didn't sexually assault a woman (for which she would have kept her job), she offended people's sensitivities with her words, which is a far greater crime in the eyes of society. I'm sure she'll get a Twitter ban soon.

What a messed up world we live in.

I absolutely think people need more protection from being fired for their political opinions. She hasn’t actually done anything to anyone, just had ‘inappropriate thoughts’ that she has expressed abstractly (ie not targeting anyone or bullying anyone). It’s tiresome, it really is.

And we have to bear in mind the severity of what she did. She didn't sexually assault a woman (for which she would have kept her job), she offended people's sensitivities with her words, which is a far greater crime in the eyes of society.

Hear hear.

She’s not having her contract renewed on a Disney show, she’s not been sent off to Siberia.

So?

@AStudyinPink so how has she been ‘cancelled?’ She’s not on the Mandalorian anymore. She’s very much able to present anywhere else.

Coffeetableconundrum

I didn’t say she’d been cancelled. She’s been punished for her political speech, however you want to describe that.

She has some extremely stupid views and she knows that Disney want to keep a squeaky clean image. Her character was finished with anyway so why would they bring her back.

@AStudyinPink
You quoted my post where I said ‘she’s not being sent off to Siberia’ and said ‘So?’
I replied by explaining that I meant she’s not being cancelled.
You now say you never said she’s been cancelled - but I was replying in the first place with the Siberia comment to @MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously , who said ‘ If the 'consequences', are being 'cancelled' from public life, then you don't have freedom of speech.’
I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

@HmmSureJan

Ah well at least Disney rehired James Gunn...

It's Disney, pedophilia is standard practice (allegedly)..... Also giving thanks in the credits to the CCP for allowing them to film in the Xinjiang region. Disney supports the forced labour, rape, organ harvesting, imprisonment of the Uyghur Muslims, that's how this cancel culture works right 🤔

YANBU. Of course she shouldn’t have been fired.

It’s just bullshit cancel culture. If people are offended then so what? Be offended and move on with your life, don’t try to destroy others because you can’t handle a different point of view.

You quoted my post where I said ‘she’s not being sent off to Siberia’ and said ‘So?’
I replied by explaining that I meant she’s not being cancelled.

And you said, I didn’t say anything about being cancelled. I just don’t understand why you seem to think the only unreasonable outcome here is being sent to Siberia. Being fired is not a trivial thing, is it?

Absolutely it crosses a line and they did the right thing. They must have known what they were getting into with her though it's nothing new. I'm.mostlt surprised that she has a career and got this opportunity because she is a notoriously terrible actor, she's had to have her dialogue dubbed in other projects because her acting is so bad - being great at stunts isn't really enought. I'm sure she'll be fine, the straight to streaming action movie genre is full of knuckle draggers who will take pity on her

She's not been sent off to Siberia.

There is a perfectly wonderful irony here about this phrase being used in the context of a discussion of whether it’s offensive to compare modern day cancel culture to the actions of oppressive regimes.

@AStudyinPink Ok this is the last time I’m responding to you, because you’re clearly misreading my posts and I’m not sure if that’s a genuine mistake on your part or an attempt to derail this thread.

To be clear, I am not suggesting that Gina Carano should be sent to Siberia. I also have no idea why you think I see this as ‘the only unreasonable outcome.’

I’m saying that for everyone who’s crying that this is cancel culture, she’s been ‘cancelled’, how will she survive now (see: @MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously earlier comment) - the reality is that her contract has not been renewed by her employers. As far as I can see, she’s still tweeting, appearing on podcasts, will likely appear on talk shows. She will be fine. She just won’t be appearing in the Mandalorian anymore.

@BelleHathor those open secret tweets are sickening.