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To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

256 replies

Mysusie · 17/01/2021 12:48

Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

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TheRaccoon · 17/01/2021 12:51

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

Newrumpus · 17/01/2021 12:53

It was a strategic error because so many remainers were convinced that the outcome could be changed.

AndcalloffChristmas · 17/01/2021 12:53

Yes and I thought this at the time.

It was a terrible gamble not to take that deal - it was better than the one we have by quite a lot, and I would have much preferred May as a leader through this pandemic.

Remainers played right into the hands of Boris’ Bastards I’m afraid.

chillied · 17/01/2021 12:55

I don't think May's deal was a particularly moderate deal either was it?

And it was mainly kiboshed by other conservatives. I don't see why we should expect remainers to not fight for a way to remain. At the time of May's deal there was still some hope of a way out such as a People's vote.

Thelnebriati · 17/01/2021 12:56

YABU. The point of wanting to remain in the EU was that we didnt support Brexit at all.
If Leavers wanted Remainers to vote for any form of Brexit you should have been able to explain what the outcome would be.

Scrunchy95 · 17/01/2021 12:59

I was under the impression that Brexiters didn't like May's deal as it didn't sever us enough from the EU.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 13:01

@Scrunchy95

I was under the impression that Brexiters didn't like May's deal as it didn't sever us enough from the EU.
Yes

ERG hated it...dont think johnson was keen either

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 13:02

Sorry...thats the impression i was under as well

FoxyTheFox · 17/01/2021 13:02

Its no good blaming Remainers for this mess, perhaps Leavers should have more carefully considered the practicalities of leaving the EU before - oh, I don't know - actually leaving the EU?

The only people to blame for this shitshow are those who voted for it and those who instigated it.

FoxyTheFox · 17/01/2021 13:03

I was under the impression that Brexiters didn't like May's deal as it didn't sever us enough from the EU.

They didn't like it and they were vocal about that fact but why let facts get in the way of an opportunity to blame it on Remain?

Biscuitsanddoombar · 17/01/2021 13:04

If memory serves it was the brexiters in Parliament led by a Mr B Johnson who didn’t get behind May’s deal.

Result was the Johnson deal which is worse than May’s deal

I will not be held responsible for brexiters choices.

I hold May with her “citizens of nowhere” speech as the final nail in any chance of bringing the country together. She & Johnson since have made it very clear that remainers views are of no consequence to them. Fine, they’ll not be needing my support then

LaurieFairyCake · 17/01/2021 13:04

God no Shock

I liken it to :

  1. Going over Niagara Falls in a barrel - May's deal
  1. Going over Niagara Falls with no barrel - Johnson's deal
  1. Trying really fucking hard not to go over at all as it's the worst thing fucking ever that we will be paying for in perpetuity - everyone else
DahliaMacNamara · 17/01/2021 13:05

Maybe you're right that we'd not have found ourselves in such an awful mess with May's (still pretty poor) deal. But we'd have had a much better outlook if we'd not left the EU at all.
Johnson is an exceptionally poor leader. I wasn't a fan of May, but she'd have been a steadier hand in a pandemic. I believe she'd genuinely have tried to put the country first over her own popularity. It's not much to ask for in a PM.

Darklingthrush · 17/01/2021 13:05

With hindsight yes, but at the time the majority of people were against Brexit (as they are now) so it didn't seem unreasonable to expect the government to take this into account and hold a proper referendum or propose a softer Brexit.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 13:08

I wasn't a fan of May, but she'd have been a steadier hand in a pandemic. I believe she'd genuinely have tried to put the country first over her own popularity. It's not much to ask for in a PM

Completely agree

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 13:10

Sides, wasnt it MPs who put the kibosh on it?

It wasn't like random remainers got a say

Brighterthansunflowers · 17/01/2021 13:16

YABU for blaming remainers! It was the Brexiteers ripping the Tory party apart who refused to get behind it. Most remainers would always have preferred a half decent deal to no deal at all.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 17/01/2021 13:16

Plenty of MPs were willing to vote with the government for or against either deal without actually representing the wishes of their constituents as shown in the referendum. I don't see what people are supposed to do when their representatives don't represent them.

TheGreatWave · 17/01/2021 13:17

Own your own shit. You (collective) voted for this, not the remainers.

Oven ready deal, my arse.

sashagabadon · 17/01/2021 13:21

Yes. All those mp’s marching through the no lobby together thinking they were all on the side of righteousness and yet the two groups were doing it for completely opposite reasons. It felt hubristic to me and was foolish with hindsight.
It directly led to May’s downfall and Boris’s rise and the 2019 election result.

pointythings · 17/01/2021 13:25

Bollocks to that. May's deal was barely better than Boris' deal - it was still an ultra hard Brexit. And it was May who said anyone who didn't have a suitably insular outlook was a 'citizen of nowhere'.

This entire shitshow is on the people who voted Leave. Stop trying to weasel out from under the weight of your responsibilities.

derxa · 17/01/2021 13:28

@sashagabadon

Yes. All those mp’s marching through the no lobby together thinking they were all on the side of righteousness and yet the two groups were doing it for completely opposite reasons. It felt hubristic to me and was foolish with hindsight. It directly led to May’s downfall and Boris’s rise and the 2019 election result.
Agreed.
soisolated · 17/01/2021 13:31

Because we remainers don't want a deal any deal we want membership of the EU. Stop blaming us for this utter shit show. Own it and by the way I am waiting for one of you to tell one a benefit , just one would do

jessym · 17/01/2021 13:32

I was involved in the People’s Vote campaign, at a very grass-roots level. We genuinely believed we could achieve a second referendum and give the public the opportunity to change their mind, which is why we fought so hard. And we came very, very close in the autumn of 2019. If just a handful more pro-European Tory MPs had broken ranks, we would have got there.

Tellmetruth4 · 17/01/2021 13:33

Here we go, we all predicted it would be Remainers fault, however, only a minor bit of research or memory will remind you that the ERG plus Johnson voted against this deal.

This is all on Leavers so no attempt to put it at the door of people who always said leaving led by this bunch of muppets was a colossal mistake will work.

You ‘won’. Get over it.