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To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

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Mysusie · 17/01/2021 12:48

Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

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SerendipityJane · 17/01/2021 19:24

When we first joined the EU what where the negatives that happened roughly 5-10 years later....a lot!

If these boards have shown us nothing, it's that talk is cheap. Why not regale us with a list of the bad things that happened to the UK 1972-182 as a result of joining the EEC ?

unmarkedbythat · 17/01/2021 19:26

@FrippEnos the 2019 GE was about Brexit only and any attempts to pretend otherwise are disingenuous. It utterly dominated the 2017 GE also, as it did the the political landscape since the referendum.

pointythings · 17/01/2021 19:32

@SerendipityJane

When we first joined the EU what where the negatives that happened roughly 5-10 years later....a lot!

If these boards have shown us nothing, it's that talk is cheap. Why not regale us with a list of the bad things that happened to the UK 1972-182 as a result of joining the EEC ?

Yes, this. What bad things happened 5-10 years after joining?
Peregrina · 17/01/2021 19:34

I think the fishermen claimed that they had been sold out. So what's new?

But back then Heath took us in to the EEC and the vote to stay was a convincing yes in 1975, and I don't recall the hassle that there has been since 1st January.

BlackberrySky · 17/01/2021 19:35

@Daphnise

It's done now.

Speculation on the past is utterly pointless.

There was a majority vote to leave, and we have left.

Those who don't like it are no longer relevant, as we have left.

By the way, May voted for the PM's deal.

By that logic, if a Tory government is elected, Labour voters should suck it up and stop challenging the Tories for the period they are in government. Political opposition is part of the fabric of democracy to help ensure balance. If you don't agree with, say, the death penalty, yet it is brought back in by vote, do you then stop being against it? Since when have people changed their political views to fall in step with the current climate? Convenient as that may be to help Brexiteers feel better, I for one have no interest in making you feel better. You have trashed my children's future and I will not "suck it up".
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 19:48

@Jimdandy

Yes. Instead of just accepting they lost and looking at the deal with a proper perspective and looking at pragmatically, I feel it was voted against just for the sake of it, to protest the outcome of Brexit itself.
Leave voters voted again Mays deal as well
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 19:48

Oooh

I take that back

People who SAID they voted leave

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 19:49

It wasn't a moderate Brexit.

A moderate Brexit was never on offer.

AllTheWayFromLondonDAMN · 17/01/2021 19:53

Bollocks. Don’t support Brexit and didn’t vote for it. Therefore I’m not being held responsible for it!

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 19:57

the 2019 GE was about Brexit only and any attempts to pretend otherwise are disingenuous

Bollocks

General elections are never a one policy vote, it just suited people to pretend that it was

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 20:01

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

the 2019 GE was about Brexit only and any attempts to pretend otherwise are disingenuous

Bollocks

General elections are never a one policy vote, it just suited people to pretend that it was

Except the only thing Johnson campaigned on in 2019 was Get Brexit Done.

He shoehorned it into everything.

When he wasn’t running away from Andrew Neil or hiding in fridges.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 17/01/2021 20:03

@FrippEnos

JulesJules

And if Brexiters don't like what we've ended up with - well you voted for it. Own it and stop trying to blame the people who didn't vote for it

Technically only MPs voted for the deal that we have.

Nobody that voted remain or leave has had any say in what has go on since the referendum.

Hmm, yes, but all those tory candidates had to pledge that they would support Brexit. And leavers still voted for them. There really is no wriggling out of this if you are a leaver. This is what you wanted. It really is all on you.

The benefit that most cite (and that most remainers continually ignore despite being told over and over) is that we won’t have politicians from other countries imposing laws on our country that we can’t vote out
I’m not saying I agree with that but I see the point. It’s ideological. They simply want our sovereignty back. They don’t want politicians we can’t vote out telling us what to do. Simple as that

Do you mean the politicians that were voted to represent us in Europe? Farage, Widdecombe, Rees-Mogg? Do you mean those MEP type politicians - I'm not sure what you mean by they didn't want politicians from other countries voting on laws that affected us.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/01/2021 20:03

Fair point sabrina 😀

But the fact that that utter plonker didnt seem to know that a general election is about who leads the country based on more than one policy doesnt disprove my point

Plus, i read some of the manifestos...if they had been written with just one policy it would have been a fuck of a lot quicker

sally067 · 17/01/2021 20:12

Regardless of it being May's or Bozo's deal the following things would always happen:

GDP would drop significantly meaning the country would have less to invest in public services.
Barriers to trade would be bought in and it would make us less competitive.
Services would be impacted with accounts for 75% of our economy.
We would lose access to the worlds largest market and the trade deals negotiated on our behalf.
Businesses would would fold and people would lose their job.
Workers rights would be trashed.
There would be major problems at ports.
Fish accounts to less than 1% of our economy.

People were warned about this in 2016 and again in subsequent elections but still voted for it. They can't say they weren't warned and it's their fault they dismissed it as project fear.

You can't really blame remainers for any of the issues we're seeing. Brexit was always a bad idea and would see major problems and see the beginning of a slow decline for the UK. Jingoism rarely leads to anything good if you vote for that over common sense.

reallyisthisallthereis · 17/01/2021 20:13

I think leavers should have got behind remainers deals.
Talk about shift the blame

Kendodd · 17/01/2021 20:15

I'd really love to know what the DUP think about Brexit now.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 20:19

I'm not sure what you mean by they didn't want politicians from other countries voting on laws that affected us.

So what about those trade deals that the Brexiters were desperate to do with Trump's America. They would become law which would have to be voted on by the US Congress. Is that OK? As it happened, Trump's been voted out but any Deal will still have to be voted on the in US.

Kendodd · 17/01/2021 20:20

One thing that annoys me is that brexiteer politicians and campaigners seem to be completely escaping blame from the people who voted Leave and are now seeking the consequences of their vote. Why aren't they being blamed? Is it that they're just very good at saying 'look over there, it was their fault ' and people believe them.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 20:23

To be fair Kendodd, the fishermen were saying that Johnson sold them out.

On here yes, it's all the Remainers fault that the Deal Johnson got was nothing to do with him, but to do with Remainers who had no say whatever in the negotiations, with MPs and Remain leaning Civil servants chased out of their posts.

Kendodd · 17/01/2021 20:24

I'm not sure what you mean by they didn't want politicians from other countries voting on laws that affected us

People who say this sort of thing never seem to have any problem with the WTO though, somewhere making decisions that affect us that we have no say over.

Port1aCastis · 17/01/2021 20:38

I live in a Cornish fishing port
The fishermen are not exactly loving Bozo

thefishingdaily.com/featured-news/cornish-fishermen-betrayed-by-boris-brexit-trade-deal/

ilovesooty · 17/01/2021 20:57

[quote Port1aCastis]I live in a Cornish fishing port
The fishermen are not exactly loving Bozo

thefishingdaily.com/featured-news/cornish-fishermen-betrayed-by-boris-brexit-trade-deal/[/quote]
I bet lots of them voted to leave.

Port1aCastis · 17/01/2021 21:08

Ah yes but we had bozo plus farage down hresearch goes a long way but not many cared to do any they just joined the wave of shit that was everywhere here at the time
it was a great day though when a kipper was thrown at Bozo and he had to duck and run
No sign of either of them now obviously and no sign of any brexit benefits either

Port1aCastis · 17/01/2021 21:11
  • research goes a long way
VestaTilley · 17/01/2021 21:13

YANBU. I agree completely and said so at the time.

I’m a remainer but it was obvious to me there would never be a second referendum or a better deal. The manoeuvres at the time by Tories to block it were blatantly about installing Boris and a Cabinet full of Leavers in to Government.

And I was right. I’m not usually smug about my own political predictions, but on this I am as I think Labour played this so naively and the Tories have used Brexit to effectively stage a Thatcherite coup against May’s Government.

Shame on all of them.

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