To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

[Mysusie]

Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

What like this:

Jimmy Buchan, chief executive of the Scottish Seafood Association, said last week: "The industry in Scotland has basically ground to a halt, and businesses that employ hundreds of people in communities around our coastline are losing money. In some cases they are close to going under. It is time for our governments to get a grip of what is now a full-blown crisis."

That is what Buchan actually said not what anyone wants him to be saying. And many of those fishermen were Leavers (or thought they were).

@TatianaBis

I’m not saying it’s your job, I’m asking you how you would personally address the loss of fishing trade my loss of rights your vote has caused?

Presumably you have some idea, as no-one would be stupid enough to vote for something they couldn’t see a feasible way to make work would they?

What's the point in telling you?

A) You fundamentally won't ever agree with me on this so I won't ever convince you - and vice versa, so why bother
B) I can't fix it anyway! I'm not in government! So why would I expend the energy giving you hypothetical solutions to problems that I don't think are currently big problems that neither you nor I can enact anyway? Unless you are Boris himself, in which case I take that back and apologise. But I suspect you're not

Again, round and round - you must own it, millions of people marched etc etc - on and on you lot go. Isn't it tiring being this angry all the time? Decision is made, and you can keep asking ow every little thing is going to be fixed, but nobody owes you answers. Such is life.

What's the point in telling you?

Because I’m asking you to. But it’s rhetorical question I know the answer. - You’re so ignorant that you have no concept of the problems you’ve caused, and you’ve no idea how to fix them. The reason you don’t answer is because you can’t.

If you think it’s tiring being pissed off, think how exhausting it is to be someone whose business is currently is going down the pan because of a bunch of imbeciles voting for something they didn’t understand.

Do you know how tiring it is working on a business that’s disintegrating. How stressful, how gut wrenching?

You will have to get used to the anger because the more businesses that fold, the more angry people will be. You will discover that what you ignorantly assume to be bumps in the road, are permanent fuck ups. The anger will escalate to the point that in 5 years or so you will not admit to ever having voted Leave in the first place.

I don't know why you're engaging.

Anyone who says that Brexit is "going well" is patently a goady troll.

If they were really that stupid, they wouldn't be able to type, as they'd have the IQ of a pin cushion...

@HannibalHayes

I don't know why you're engaging.

Anyone who says that Brexit is "going well" is patently a goady troll.

If they were really that stupid, they wouldn't be able to type, as they'd have the IQ of a pin cushion...

These threads will one day be seen by our grandchildren in one form or another.

" Nobody owes you answers. Such is life."

I think the Scottish fishermen driving their lorries around Westminster yesterday, emblazoned with slogans such as "Incompetent Government destroy shellfish industry" would certainly like some answers Mrs Doyle.

Give us some answers Mrs Doyle, gowann, gowann, gowann.......

It was the rabid Brexiteers who didn't get behind May's deal - wtf are you trying to blame remainders who weren't obliged to get behind any deal.

Fair enough DGR.

Nice attempted character assassination there. I assure you I'm neither "a goady troll" nor "so ignorant". I'm reasonably intelligent, but have a very different perspective to you, and obviously see opportunities and setbacks differently.

I work in an industry that's had to reinvent itself to survive and thrive, and prefer to be forward looking and optimistic.

You really don't see it though, do you. And I've never experienced such wilful rabid dogmatism in any other 'debate'. You genuinely think that you are right and morally superior on this, and can't fathom any possible counter-argument...

That's what you don't understand - you live in your own self-righteous bubble, egging each other on about how bad it will be - that the rest of us normally ignore you, leave you to it and ignore you. It's why you lost the referendum.

I stupidly fed the beast, and as you've proven that nothing has changed in the past 4 years, so I'll leave you to it.

Thanks for the constructive debate

@LaurieFairyCake

God no

I liken it to :

1. Going over Niagara Falls in a barrel - May's deal

1. Going over Niagara Falls with no barrel - Johnson's deal

1. Trying really fucking hard not to go over at all as it's the worst thing fucking ever that we will be paying for in perpetuity - everyone else

This

That was a shit deal too though. It's not much different to this deal.

And we'll keep on with life, wondering why you are working yourself into such an unnecessary frenzy over something that was long ago decided by a democratic vote.

There's not a lot of effort involved in noticing how fucked up things are and saying 'Told you so'. And it is so very satisfying.

We remainers are actually able to manage it while keeping on with life too. Amazing, isn't it?

We remainers are actually able to manage it while keeping on with life too. Amazing, isn't it?
It's the lack of guilt

Mrs Doyle - your 'bumps in the road' is someone else's bankrupt business. How proud you must be

@BaileysforBreakfast

Mrs Doyle - your 'bumps in the road' is someone else's bankrupt business. How proud you must be

Never underestimate how willing Brexiteers are for other people to suffer on their behalf.

When will Brexiters finally start owning the shit they have caused?

Yea they should. There was no way in the world the outcome of a democratic vote would have be overturned.
They all voted against it die to politics. Jeremy Corbyn even said years ago at the beginning ‘whatever the deal we will vote against it’. How can you say that when you don’t even knowing what a deal look like?!
Goes to show what awful politics they all played in this. So much time wasted trying to ‘upset’ the process. Basically they disrespected the outcome of the vote.
I do wonder how many remainers, who wanted the descsion overturned, think about what’s going on is the USA with the trumpet supporters? I bet they all say ‘oh that’s awful. Biden got in fair and square. It was a democratic vote. There wasn’t any fraud’ yet still moan that brexit should have been overturned ...

Never underestimate how willing Brexiteers are for other people to suffer on their behalf.
Quite. I remember the infamous poll that showed how many Brexit voters were happy to see family members lose their jobs/see significant damage to the economy etc
Fuck the lot of them. I hope they suffer at least as much as the rest of us.

It’s basic - trade is harder now. Legally, logistically, and in expense. Brexiteers felt these things were worth paying for.

In raw economics, no. We are worse off. I think you just have to understand Brexit is ideological. In economic terms, it’s like shooting your self. You guarantee damage.

I will repeat my post as it did not break the Ts and Cs:

egging each other on about how bad it will be

The ‘bad’ is now. Not in some hypothetical future. Now. Fishing is failing now. My rights are gone now. The 2500 jobs and 170 billion EUR lost to Paris is now.

It wasn't remainers who kyboshed May's deal, (well not on their own) it was the ERG.

So much rewriting of history. But yes, people did think the outcome could be changed.

In a way Gina Miller wrecked everything by getting that court judgment that parliament had to vote on a deal. May's government might have just gone ahead with it in the end. Better for the country, if rather less democratic.

I had no time for the Libdems and SNP voting against the trade deal though. That could have been a very dangerous game.

@ichundich

When will Brexiters finally start owning the shit they have caused?

Bear in mind the tremendous loss of face. For now it’s only the most intelligent, the most honest and the most directly impacted who will own it.

Many will never admit it. As the fallout becomes ever clearer many will simply lie and claim not to have voted Leave.