To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

[Mysusie]

Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

Stop trying to blame the people who didn't vote for Brexit for Brexit happening.

How May expected Remainers to back her after she called us ‘citizens of nowhere’ and had her media attack dogs call non-extremists judges ‘enemies of the people’, I don’t know.

Why? There brexit brigade spent 25 years trying to overturn our entry into Europe. Remainders might want to go back quicker than that.

May’s deal was NOT a soft deal. The moment she drew her “red lines”, any chance of a soft Brexit was over.
The car crash we’re now all part of has NOTHING to do with remainers or rejoiners. This is all on Leavers. You won. Welcome to Project Real.

Yes but far too much weakness in leadership for this to happen.

May knew she was leading a party infiltrated by ideological brexiteers. She could only make an alliance with the opposition which was itself led by a brexiteer with a rigid ideology.

Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s.

May's deal was not moderate. As soon as she took power she started going on about red lines, rather than take account of the fact that almost half of voters did not want Brexit at all. She immediately dismissed ideas of staying in the single market or customs union. In other words, she went along with an extreme interpretation of the referendum result that did not acknowledge the closeness of the vote. We were destined for a hard Brexit from the outset.

Apart from the Northern Ireland protocol there is little difference between May and Johnson deals.

What utter rubbish!
Brexit was wanted by the 52% of the electorate - you got what you wanted, own it. Brexit means Brexit, right?

The 48% who didn't want it (me included) are not to blame for this bin fire clusterfuck.

This is ALL on YOU, Brexitiers!

I’ve seen Leave voting friends trying to distance themselves from the vote. One even claimed they voted Remain thinking that people won’t remember how they were enthusiastically sharing Farage stuff in 2016.

If you try and persuade someone not to play Russian roulette and they yell ‘you can’t stop me, you’re my enemy and I know what I’m doing’ how is it your fault if they then shoot themselves in the head?

Why are you saying this OP- is there a problem with Brexit you feel? I have no idea what is happening at the moment as refuse to expend any more emotional energy on it. What’s the problem?

I really didn’t want to leave but could see we were going to so lobbied my Star Chamber ERG MP to vote for May’s deal and he did on the last vote but as I recall not enough of his fellow ERG members did - Was that a mistake on their part you feel ?

You can’t blame Remainers for any of this, it is absolutely on The Brexit Lobby.

Is this going to be a thing now, trying to shift the blame onto remainers?
Doesn't surprise me tbh.

Unless the OP knows something that we don't about which members of MN are also members of parliament, it seems a fucking odd question to put into AIBU. Unless it's trying to fuel a rewriting of history.

Tell you what OP, here's a better question. What fucking chance did anyone on this thread have to "back" or "not back" Mays deal when it was in play ?

Oh, yes, that's right. Fuck all chance. Unless it turns out that MN is really awash with MPs pissing their time away here instead of reading the fucking fishing deal that was part of their job

Oh, YABU.

@FoxyTheFox

Its no good blaming Remainers for this mess, perhaps Leavers should have more carefully considered the practicalities of leaving the EU before - oh, I don't know - actually leaving the EU?

The only people to blame for this shitshow are those who voted for it and those who instigated it.

This, 100%

Exactly.

Stupid remainers fault.

May’s deal was a very hard Brexit. The only advantage would’ve been a longer transition period (assuming she’d got the deal through in early 2019). It would also have made Irish reunification less of a pressing matter.

She’d definitely have been a better PM during Covid though. And I do admire her for continuing as a backbench MP after all the shit she dealt with as PM. She clearly cares about the public service aspect of the job.

As @jessym said, the People's Vote could easily have happened. I would never have supported a deal that left the EU.

It is Leave voters' fault that we're in this mess. No-one else. And it's Tory voters' fault we have the worst possible government at the worst possible time. No-one of that is my fault, as I didn't fucking vote for them.

*None!

If the ERG and the likes of BJ had voted for chequers, it would have gone through.

So in fact it was the leavers that scuppered it, not remainers. You’re completely 180 degrees from the truth, and you’re trying to blame shift. That’s the reality op.

Remainers always knew Leavers would try and find a way to blame Remainers for the shit show YOU have caused and we were right. You've no one to blame but yourselves. Young people will not be looking back and blaming Brexit on Remainers in the future I can assure you. You're kidding yourselves.

Ooh, let me think.... who's fault is the Brexit shitshow? The people who voted for it or the people who didn't? Tricky one.... Typical Brexiteer behaviour to blame other people for the consequences their own actions....

@FoxyTheFox

I was under the impression that Brexiters didn't like May's deal as it didn't sever us enough from the EU.

They didn't like it and they were vocal about that fact but why let facts get in the way of an opportunity to blame it on Remain?

Yep.

If I may repurpose a popular Brexiteer phrase? You won, get over it.

Buyers remorse, op?

This is a fantastic new spin on the situation.
I always wondered how long it would take brexiters to make the consequences of brexit someone else's fault.
Placing the blame on leave voters not being enthusiastic enough (when in fact it was the conservatives who tore May apart) is about as depressingly predictable as it is fucking stupid.

Brexit means Brexit

You won
Get over it