To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

[Mysusie]

Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

@Scrunchy95

I was under the impression that Brexiters didn't like May's deal as it didn't sever us enough from the EU.

I agree. That’s what I thought as well.

Oh no you don't. Don't go shifting the blame onto remainers. Those who voted for Brexit have got exactly what they voted for.

Don't go shifting the blame

Top tune !

(boogieing around the kitchen )

I think you need to ask Boris and the ERG why they did not vote for May’s deal before pointing fingers at remainers.

If you're in any doubt about this op why not think about it this way - in the years to come, who do you think our young people will blame for Brexit, the people who voted for Brexit or the people who didn't vote for Brexit?

This thread really shows there no hope for Leave voters at all. Instead of blaming the lying cheating politicians and campaigners, who worked hard on you for many years to fill your head with lies about the EU, no, no blame for them. Instead you blame the people who didn't vote for Brexit and tried very hard to point out Farage and co were lying to you.

If you voted for this shit own it stop passing the buck
You did it it's your fault you can no longer blame remainers.
I didn't go on those marches to take blame
We told you so

Firstly there's a Brexit board. Secondly frankly, I'm as Remain as they come but I'd fed up of mainly Brexiteers carping on and on about it. You won, own it. Move on.

Precisely
You won
You kept feckin telling us you did over and over for 4 years or more
Own your shit!

The ERG weren't having it, and they're the ones with the power, not the poor bastards who voted Remain.
You're blaming the wrong people here.

It's done now.

Speculation on the past is utterly pointless.

There was a majority vote to leave, and we have left.

Those who don't like it are no longer relevant, as we have left.

By the way, May voted for the PM's deal.

@Daphnise don't tell me I'm not relevant - I will continue to point out how fucking dumb Brexit is until my dying day, and will ask anyone who professes a love for the project, what it feels like to fucked over?

Sadly the act of economic self-harm has been done and Northern Ireland in particular seems to be impacted more.

Just remember when ever you vote who brought this upon you. Mind you, minor compared to the incompetence of Mr Johnson in the handling of the Covid 19 pandemic.

Those who don't like it are every bit as relevant. Governments are supposed to govern for all, not just their cronies or those who agree with them.

Time for Leavers to get stuck in and make it work. I don't see much of that happening.

I am waiting for one of you to tell one a benefit , just one would do

The benefit that most cite (and that most remainers continually ignore despite being told over and over) is that we won’t have politicians from other countries imposing laws on our country that we can’t vote out.

I’m not saying I agree with that but I see the point. It’s ideological. They simply want our sovereignty back. They don’t want politicians we can’t vote out telling us what to do. Simple as that.

Those who don't like it are no longer relevant, as we have left

😀

Youre not relevant either chum

Cant be a leaver if we’ve left

Leave.EU did try a move to Ireland, but it hasn't worked out for them with their account suspended.

Good question though - Remainers can turn into Rejoiners but where do Leavers go now?

No one to blame but leave voters. There was never going to be any other outcome with the ‘ERG’ and Bannon behind it all.

I am and always will be relevant
I have a vote

Look, remainers didn't want a referendum. We didn't vote for Brexit. We didn't vote for a Tory government. We do not have to own it. It's not our mistake and we did tell everyone what a mistake it was. So, no, we should not have 'got behind May's deal': we did our part, leavers and Tories did this and will have to live with it.

but at the time the majority of people were against Brexit

No they weren’t. The only evidence that exists is that the majority of voters voted for Brexit. There is no concrete evidence at all that the majority of people were against Brexit. Quite the opposite.

Sorry to derail but the “citizens of nowhere” line was a hamfisted attack on globe trotting tycoons like Philip Green. Unfortunately in the frebile times it was misrepresented by both sides! Tim Shipman’s 2nd volume on Brexit covers it.

May’s deal was a very hard Brexit. The only advantage would’ve been a longer transition period (assuming she’d got the deal through in early 2019). It would also have made Irish reunification less of a pressing matter.

This, exactly. At the time, I felt remainers should have got behind TM's deal, but mostly in order to avoid No Deal (deliberate or accidental) which seemed a more likely outcome than a second referendum. Most (all?) of the economic damage done so far has been a direct and predictable consequence of leaving the Single Market, so no great difference between May's deal and Johnson's in the long run. It would have been preferable to have had certainty earlier, though.

JulesJules

And if Brexiters don't like what we've ended up with - well you voted for it. Own it and stop trying to blame the people who didn't vote for it

Technically only MPs voted for the deal that we have.

Nobody that voted remain or leave has had any say in what has go on since the referendum.

Nobody that voted remain or leave has had any say in what has go on since the referendum.

We've had two general elections since the referendum.

@SerendipityJane

We are not generally remainers now - I identify as a rejoiner for my UK citizenship but remain very firmly a European, as I shall identify in the census.

If it's an option.

I think there is going to be an ‘other’ box with space below to write European.