To think remainers should have got behind mays deal

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Just that really. Surely it would have been better to support a moderate brexit that she offered rather than supporting extreme positions such as that if the Lib Dem’s. Aibu to think it was an error not to sign up the the chequers deal?

I do wonder how many remainers, who wanted the descsion overturned, think about what’s going on is the USA with the trumpet supporters? I bet they all say ‘oh that’s awful. Biden got in fair and square. It was a democratic vote. There wasn’t any fraud’ yet still moan that brexit should have been overturned

The difference, which has been set out on this website and others more times than I care to mention, is that an election is only for 4 or 5 years. Brexit was a final decision. We can't go back. We can unelect the Tories next time round. The US can unelect Biden the next time round.

For that reason I wasn't that bothered when Trump got elected because it was for 4 years. Brexit is probably for 40.

So while remainers like me won't go out and set fire to things or riot, we will keep telling you 'Told you so' at every Brexit fuck-up that happens. Looks like we'll be busy

Well quite.

And fishermen? You were about the only people in Scotland who voted Leave*. Ha ha.

*slight exaggeration I know but makes the point

Nah. We won’t survive tied up in red tape that long. I reckon the rejoin process will start in 10 years max if that.

We will have to have stamped out the stupid, ignorant populist Brexit mentality completely or the EU wouldn’t contemplate it. But many of the 60+ Brexiters will be dead by then anyway.

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Do you mean the politicians that were voted to represent us in Europe? Farage, Widdecombe, Rees-Mogg? Do you mean those MEP type politicians - I'm not sure what you mean by they didn't want politicians from other countries voting on laws that affected us.

Even if all our MEPs voted against something, the rest of the MEPs as a majority could vote it through. So that results in laws or policies imposed on our country voted through by the MEPs of the rest of the European Parliament that we cannot vote out.

They were unelected by the U.K. yet they enact legislation on us. I think a lot of people find that very ‘unBritish’.

I vote Labour every GE, in a Labour safe seat, and yet I have been saddled with a Tory government for the past 11 years. That’s FPTP democracy for you. Can London secede as well? I’m pretty sure a majority of us would vote for it in a referendum.

I voted remain. However, I think it was ridiculous that a vote to stay or leave with x plan wasn't offered at some point. Nobody knew what the end result would look like in 2016 and all sorts of lies were in the campaign. I had a sense of disbelief that we continued hurtling towards the brexit shitstorm the way we did and kept thinking at some point a way out would be offered. I'm sure a number of leavers would have changed their minds once they saw what type of deal was offered...and if they didn't, then I'd feel at least we got to where we are from an "accurate" view of the people.

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It wasn't remainers who kyboshed May's deal, (well not on their own) it was the ERG.

So much rewriting of history. But yes, people did think the outcome could be changed.

In a way Gina Miller wrecked everything by getting that court judgment that parliament had to vote on a deal. May's government might have just gone ahead with it in the end. Better for the country, if rather less democratic.

I had no time for the Libdems and SNP voting against the trade deal though. That could have been a very dangerous game.

No, pro Brexit voters who believed the propaganda Kyboshed our nations place on the world stage. Retainers didn’t want a deal...they wanted to remain.
Culpability sits with Cameron, Farage, a nationalist agenda driven in part by far right, Johnson and others for acting in self interest not national interest. Brexiteers took us down this path by listening to the twaddle and lies. It was never s fair referendum.