To think Mumsnet isn't any better than Tattle life?

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The site claims to be "commentary and critique of people who chose to monetise their lives as a business and release it to the public domain"

From my time on the site I've found it to be just that. Honest, and well measured critique of someone who has chosen to market themselves and/or their families online.

The threads I've seen via Instagramers claiming to be bullied has just been people giving a perfectly reasonable negative opinion on them, or something they have done. Surely if you are putting yourself online to gain followers you accept the good and the bad, and that not everything negative is bullying, still just an opinion?

Mumsnet on the other hand claims to be a resource of support for parents, but I regularly see posters jumped etc usually on a perfectly reasonable post.

AIBU to think Mumsnet isn't any holier?

@Saiorse that simply isn't true.

Sending direct messages to Instagrabbers isn't tolerated on Tattle, as you'd well know if you'd been on there enough to have observed all of the above. Some tattlers do comment on IG feeds but those comments are usually to highlight a breach of ASA standards, or generally asking something the 'influencer' doesn't like - so they delete that comment and block the person who then can't comment again.

A lot of those on IG who cry troll either send themselves the messages they complain about, or cry about someone asking them a genuine question (but one which highlights something they've done wrong - like travelling abroad during Covid restrictions as many of them have - so they don't like it)

I looked at Mrs Hinch’s Instagram once to see what all the fuss is about. It was ridiculously tedious. Anyone crazy enough to follow it and comment on it though 100 odd threads on Tattle really has no life at all.

I was reading Sam frairs thread the other day and someone was proudly showing a private message they sent her about being abroad. I've seen it on fopperholic thread too.

If it hadn't been for Tattle, this wouldn't have been possible:

www.thewotpod.com/article/new-beginnings-2021

All the scam victims of Sarah Akwisombe's fake million hustle used Tattle as their "hub", and it was from there that the journalists from the WOTPOD made contact to research the excellent 3 piece series linked from the article above.

Yes, there's some crazy baiting of influencers on there, but there's also some incredible threads where people come together to help each other, so there's also real value in the site.

@grenlei I've just had a look at the most recent thread on Mrs Hinch and there isn't one mention of advertising or breach of asa standards etc. However I did see the following:

1. Attention seeking boring basic bitch
2. Calculating twat
3. Useless duck lipped twat
4. A c**t who doesn't look after her child properly and is abusing him
5. Why has she chosen to have a 2nd baby when she clearly feels nothing for the first.
6. Her breasts look like spaniels and she looks like a horse
7. I hope she's getting him (her son) appropriate help. For what?!

I've attached a few screenshots, one being a comment from a so called paediatrician.
I don't agree with putting children on a public Instagram account and I don't have a problem with inappropriate behaviour regarding advertising being discussed but that isn't what tattle is about.
How do you justify these comments?

One could easily make a scrapbook of nasty comments on this site though couldn’t they? The insults on here might be more middle class but are just as malicious.

I happened to read some of that thread, In fairness, some of the comment you've screenshotted on the left is taken out of context.

It was in response to a poster's comment that all Tattlers are (in their words) "dole dossing, single yummy mummies...they are jel their benefits money doesn't give them the amazing life stave, Sophie and the others live".

The poster is referring to their job and this quote. And other posters made it clear that being a single mum or on benefits wasn't something to be ashamed of, nor mock.

Not so nice either, right?

And, while I don't condone comments on people's appearance, you have to expect that not everyone will like you if you live your family life on Instagram. In my opinion, Mrs Hinch is fairly disingenuous as far as her account goes but we're all entitled to a different view.

Some posters here are being disingenuous posting a few comments totaly out of context.

Ultimately tattle is a force for good and balances out the wild west of social media. No it's not perfect, but no forum or social media is and there will always be a few that go too far on every platform.

The worst I've seen is someone talking about a child's appearance and posting a right move listing. Both times it was deleted pretty quick. People do call out comments that aren't acceptable.

Before it there was no record of the lies told and was easy to brush things aside like racist old tweets. I can see why influencers and those that dream of being an influencer hate it!

An influencer whose vlogs I used to watch was caught out with racist tweets.
Him and his wife have been shown to be huge liars too, I'd have had no idea.
Jack Monroe is another one I learned a lot about.
Some of these people are totally shameless.

Mrs Hinch must have made a fortune, if this stuff bothered her, surely she could take the money and disappear from social media?
She chooses to still be on it, wonder why?

,if this stuff bothered her, surely she could take the money and disappear from social media?

Why would should anyone just be bullied off social media by sad trolls?
Wow.
Stay in your place, women.
(How is it that it's the "yummy mummies", the women who dare to have a public persona that get most of this shit?)
You don't really see Dad parenting blogs getting the same kind of pile on as the women ones do.

Making a comment about someone's appearance or saying you don't like something they've done or said, or calling them out for Covid breaches and failing to declare Ads isn't bullying or trolling.

There are plenty of examples of trolling, especially on memorial type sites set up by grieving parents after the death of a child, where the family end up being subjected to absolutely vile online abuse. Where people are told to kill themselves, and sent suggestions of how to do it. That is trolling. Not suggesting someone should for example tone down their relentless consumerism in the midst of a pandemic when we are approaching the worst recession in 50 years...!

Plenty of male bloggers/ influencers face similar criticism for similar behaviour - FOD, Chris Ingham (and lots of the other 'family' blog types), Alfie Deyes, the Scottish cleaning guy (Mario?), Sean Pratt, many of the male weight loss accounts (mostly for sending pervy DMs to women/ girls whilst presenting a facade of being happily married). That's just some of the ones I've seen or read.

I know it won't suit your 'they're all trying to tear down women' narrative but it simply isn't true men aren't criticised. However the blogger/ influencer world in the UK is more female dominated, and the number of subscribers or followers generally higher, hence there will be more threads on females and families than purely on men.

For the record, I don't have an issue with women making money from social media. Good for them.

It's that grey area where influencers are being paid to promote a product and on a regular basis, don't disclose their ads as such (which is required by the ASA). Mrs Hinch is guilty of being rather lax on that front. Clearly they make their money from selling things, which again is fine, but you see ladies posting their cupboard crammed full with 40 bottles of Zolfora etc and do wonder whether it's got a bit out of hand.

I'm also not a big fan of her constant "Hinch hauls", comprising of a pile of things she's bought in B&M and on EBay. I'm no Greta but it's not terribly environmentally unfriendly to keep replacing perfectly good things you own and it's a bit insensitive at the moment when some families are wondering how they will pay their rent or their bills.

Personally I would hate to post my family life on Instagram, no matter what the financial rewards.

Sorry, double negative, not environmentally friendly..

@BlackBucketOfCheese

The Fleur De Force situation probably wouldn’t have come to light without Tattle:

No question about it. She fucked off to Dubai on 26th December from Tier 3, and then posted content as if she was having a quiet Christmas at home.

And even worse, she filmed a "What I Got Got For Christmas" video that very morning from her 120 acre Georgian mansion, saying it was going to be strange not to see family, blah blah. Whilst she literally had her suitcases packed for Dubai and was about to head to the airport.

Tattle posters spotted a comment from someone on her latest IG post saying "I think I was sitting behind you at a kids show today but was scared to say hi!" and it was posted by a fan who lives in Dubai.

Soon Fleur was deleting comments as fast as she could. From Dubai.

Eventually she had to admit it. But if it weren't for someone on Tattle picking up in that comment, nobody would ever have known. She thought she had hidden it well.

Tattle does expose shadiness, no doubt about that.

Nah, not buying it, she wants the money and that's why she stays.
Fair play, but she knows what happens, and did so before she "accidentally", became famous. yeah right
Oh and the vlogger I didn't name is a guy, Tim Tracker, so no, its not just women.
The only reason I didn't name him is because I didn't think anyone would have heard of him.

[quote Nonameslob]@grenlei I've just had a look at the most recent thread on Mrs Hinch and there isn't one mention of advertising or breach of asa standards etc. However I did see the following:

1. Attention seeking boring basic bitch
2. Calculating twat
3. Useless duck lipped twat
4. A c**t who doesn't look after her child properly and is abusing him
5. Why has she chosen to have a 2nd baby when she clearly feels nothing for the first.
6. Her breasts look like spaniels and she looks like a horse
7. I hope she's getting him (her son) appropriate help. For what?!

I've attached a few screenshots, one being a comment from a so called paediatrician.
I don't agree with putting children on a public Instagram account and I don't have a problem with inappropriate behaviour regarding advertising being discussed but that isn't what tattle is about.
How do you justify these comments?[/quote]
There are LOTS of legitimate complaints on the Hinch threads, I’ve seen many people complain about her not claiming ads. But I think with her, way so more than other eg Stacey Solomon and PTWM, the people are particularly vicious. These people can be infuriating with stuff they do but some people take it too far. Just because their life is hard/they’re going through crap it’s nothing to do with an influencer 😂

This is just proof of how desperate they are for content

Making a comment about someone's appearance or saying you don't like something they've done or said, or calling them out for Covid breaches and failing to declare Ads isn't bullying or trolling.

So what do you call calling someone fat, disgusting, commenting on her bloated face, her fat little fingers etc over and over and over. Thread after thread full of it. What do you call that?

Depends on the context. If someone is altering their photos to appear significantly thinner than they are (which a lot do) they should be called out for it, in the same way as any other misrepresentation. I don't think calling someone fat if they are is really trolling or bullying. Ditto saying someone had fat, or alternatively bony, fingers. It's just a description of their appearance.

I see lots of threads on MN where appearance based negative comments are made about those in the public eye - are they also bullying? Or is it ok because it's on here and not on there?

Also those crying troll or bully often make the same kind of comments themselves...Hinch doesn't like people commenting negatively on her lip fillers and other facial work yet was happy to comment on Tulisa's; double standards much?!

I really really don't see the problem with it and don't see it as bullying.

Is it bullying when the press post a negative article?

It's very different having a discussion (or a bitch) on a website than directly sending messages/abuse- something which tattle does not endorse and advises against

What about when Hinch shared the name of someone who made a Facebook comment about her? Her fans swamped the woman in their masses saying the most disgusting things.

Why are these people so untouchable?

@Bigbrowedbetty

This is just proof of how desperate they are for content

Yet you are obviously a member yourself?....

@truetuesdays another well known instagrammer made a big thing when she was getting married and the page boy outfits hadn't arrived. She named and shamed the woman that was making the outfits and this woman got all kinds of threats and nasty messages from the Instagrammers followers. Yet this instagrammer has at times urged people to 'be kind' and deletes any negative comments from her page, even if they're constructive comments and not rude or mean.

She named and shamed the woman that was making the outfits and this woman got all kinds of threats and nasty messages from the Instagrammers followers.

This happens so often across social media (I don’t know who this particular instance is referring to).
You will see an influencer “naming and shaming” a small business or a follower who has been perfectly polite but disagreed with them, they will make sure the name/account name is included as they name and shame them and they know that their vast number of minions will attack.

And I mean death threats, turning up at at their houses and all sorts.

I've just been banned from Tattle purely for pointing out a comment made by an influencer seemed a little unfair!!

That place is a complete cesspit filled with bitter, jealous and obsessed people. It is actually disturbing.