To think Mumsnet isn't any better than Tattle life?

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The site claims to be "commentary and critique of people who chose to monetise their lives as a business and release it to the public domain"

From my time on the site I've found it to be just that. Honest, and well measured critique of someone who has chosen to market themselves and/or their families online.

The threads I've seen via Instagramers claiming to be bullied has just been people giving a perfectly reasonable negative opinion on them, or something they have done. Surely if you are putting yourself online to gain followers you accept the good and the bad, and that not everything negative is bullying, still just an opinion?

Mumsnet on the other hand claims to be a resource of support for parents, but I regularly see posters jumped etc usually on a perfectly reasonable post.

AIBU to think Mumsnet isn't any holier?

No. There was a thread about an intstagrammer/YouTuber who had to deliver her baby early due to having covid who was then put into a coma the next day(and as far as I know is still in a coma over a week later) and some posters decided it was still OK to slate her. That isn't OK, a 30 year old first time mum fighting for her life and a premature baby without his mum beside him. There is a time and a place and that wasn't the time or place.

Another example I have seen is of a blogger who says she suffers from mental health problems continually being called fat, lazy, disgusting. Her body constantly criticised, her 'fat fingers' being called disgusting, being called greedy.

All of these things have nothing to do with calling out bloggers for shady behaviour which is what people say tattle is for. I've seen the tattle huns patting themselves on the back for so supportive of each other as they compare how difficult their lives are to whichever blogger they are slating. Maybe they are supportive to each other but if they think a lot of their posts aren't nasty and serve any purpose other than to amuse themselves they are kidding themselves.

@Grenlei

What's despicable about it?

WRT Hinch, personally I'm much more offended by her blatant breaches of Covid guidelines, manipulation of her sheep, exploration of her child, and claims that her fame just happened when in fact it was carefully engineered by her and her husband from day 1. Oh and all her cleaning tips were stolen from other people/ sites. Much like her mate Stacey Solomon nicked all her craft ideas from Pinterest.

Right. I’ve noticed that people on Tattle don’t like to talk about their behaviour and prefer to simply deflect. The implicit defence is ‘we’re bad, but the Instagrammers are much much worse’.

I'm in favour of sites like tattle, over time they will be quite useful for building a database of future stalkers.

I've read plenty of unpleasant and unsavoury comments on here about people in the public eye - politicians, royals, to give just 2 examples. Why is that acceptable and tattle isn't? Where's the difference?

And why is it acceptable for someone to monetise their child? Isn't that exactly something that person should be held to account for? Christ there are posters on here who get upset if a family member shares their child's photo with another relative, how do you square that with someone sharing their child's image on a daily basis with millions, and using that child as a cash cow? (this applies to all the parents on there who are at this, they're all as bad as one another). Where are the child's rights in all of that?

Sounds awful

If your teenage daughter made relentless fun of another girl’s appearance, then said ‘well she shouldn’t be flaunting pictures of herself on social media if she can’t take it’, I doubt people would be as sympathetic.

Exactly.
There's no difference.

WRT Hinch, personally I'm much more offended by her blatant breaches of Covid guidelines, manipulation of her sheep, exploration of her child, and claims that her fame just happened when in fact it was carefully engineered by her and her husband from day 1. Oh and all her cleaning tips were stolen from other people/ sites. Much like her mate Stacey Solomon nicked all her craft ideas from Pinterest

Breach of Covid guidelines - you what? Where?! Genuinely interested (admittedly, haven't watched IG stories as much this past week or so due to Christmas, but haven't seen anything like that!)
"Manipulation of her sheep" - again, what? Are you referring to sometimes she'll advertise something and people buy it on the back of that?
Not done so myself if so but what's wrong with people buying something they think they'll like

All of these things have nothing to do with calling out bloggers for shady behaviour which is what people say tattle is for

Exactly
As my earlier comment said - Instagram threads are a "genuine concern, just worried about if they're displaying their advertising correctly" but when you scratch further, it really isn't.
I know that sounds tin foil hatty but it's true lol

I looked at Tattle when they kept starting their stalkerish threads over here. It's a site that doesn't help anyone. It's bitchy, nasty and stalkerish. And even though it claims to be about exposing influencers, it seems to actually focus on tearing apart women in the public eye. It's a cesspit of misogyny.

AIBU is the place where trolls and gfs descend on MN. It isn't representative of the rest of the site.

Across the rest of MN, lots of posters receive excellent advice and support every single day.

It's truly horrible. There's a local influencer here and it's a total pile on about how much fatter she is in real life etc etc.

It's just jealous arseholes. What is it to anyone else how they choose to earn a living. All the faux concern over monetising children is laughable.

I've read plenty of unpleasant and unsavoury comments on here about people in the public eye - politicians, royals, to give just 2 examples.

Yes & Ive participated.
I've never used Tattle just know of it from here & I don't use insta anymore.
I have noticed on MNs though that SM is seen more favourable eg humble bragging is fine which is odd since MN posters can be very judgey about what you call pudding.
I think a lot of people like to be influenced or want to become one 🤷‍♀️

If you dare to say anything even slightly supportive in support of the topic of the thread they’ll come for you. One thread I quite enjoyed they criticised the woman for showing off new make up she’d bought but one of them decided it wasn’t new she was just showing off things to brag so they all jumped on that bandwagon to slate her. I happen to be a big fan of the brand and knew the item had been released just that week so mentioned that. Definitely no way she would have been gifted it - not a chance. Anyway I was torn apart for sticking up for her to the point I was accused of being her - all for saying it was indeed new make up. They are obsessive weirdos in a lot of cases.

The two sites sound so dissimilar I’m not sure why the comparison at all.

I’ve also seen people lay into a YouTube soon after her dad died for things like having bad lip fillers/veneers. Like - whatever you think she’s done, it’s nowhere near as scummy as what you’re doing right now.

Tattle is fierce.

The Mrs Hinch threads so so unsettling. The last 3 threads absolutely annihilate Mr Hinch for apparently having a nose job, ripping him to shreds for his old nose. They come up with theories and run with them. They take screenshots and analyse them and compare to ones from months ago they must keep on their phone. The behaviour and time spent by some posters is unhealthily obsessive.

They claim to be nice people, that's only to each other. They are so vicious and nasty about instagrammers it is unreal.

Ohhhhh. Schoolgirl obsessions.

@Saoirse7 why do you read them?

Is Tattle/Tattle life moderated at all?

[quote wonderup]@Saoirse7 why do you read them?[/quote]
Curiosity I suppose.

There's a couple of threads about local bloggers that are tame and I find interesting. I also like to read the threads on the more famous people I follow on Instagram to see if I agree with any of their assertions. I just find the obsessiveness and nastiness of some posters a bit unsettling.

The gender critical thread included a line that went something like ‘It is a biological fact that a man can’t give birth, even if he writes for the Guardian.’ Which did make me laugh.

@Saoirse7 we all love gossip!

@Quaagars

Tattle is the only website out there keeping tabs on some of these so called influencers . Some are scamming people out of money and Tattke is just about the only place where it's being watched. For that reason alone I defend it

I know from the IG threads on here that is just the "cover."
I get that people want to know that the influencers they watch but apparently don't like "just want to know that they are disclosing their ads properly" but you'll know if you've spent any time on any of those threads if people start to actually talk about the ads (which they profess it's all about, they just want transparency - yeah right)
, for all those that are there'll be a hundred or so more pulling apart looks, saying kids need taking away, blah blah etc.....
It's just a cover for attacking and bitching about others.

In YOUR opinion but not in mine,. Plenty of stuff and threads over there I never venture on to. The ones I do are okay and yes if instscammers are taking the piss out of genuinely nice people I want them called out. Currently only Tattle is doing that and I'm happy they are doing so.

Did you know for example that someone sent Jack Monroe money from their Winter Fuel Allowance after one of her MANY poverty cosplay posts? She did eventually send it back but only after she was called out for it.

So yes I will support Tattle for calling out this nonsence.

I agree some of the threads there are awful and d never venture near them. The Harry and Meghan threads for example but MN is no better, there was some horrific stuff posted here about them which went unchallenged,

Tattle is not perfect but is the only place where the Insta scammers and instamums get called out. Instagram is a dangerous unregulated platform.

@Whiskyinajar absolutely agree.

I don't read the Harry/ MM threads but I have heard from other sources that the ones on MN are particularly savage.

As to Jack Monroe, she's exalted on MN as some hero of the working classes, struggling by on benefits. Except she's nothing but, and preys on the kindness of those who really can't afford it.

Instagram, YouTube etc are basically begging dressed up in another name. People on there are either begging from companies or from the public. Or using their kids to do so. It's awful.

Personally I'd rather use my brain to have an actual career than live off conning, deceiving and manipulating people, or having to display my whole life and that of my children to others.

It is a career. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. Gifting items to high profile people has always been a thing. Instagram and what not has just widened the scope.

It's advertising. Look or don't look. Enjoy or don't enjoy. Buy or don't.

I'm far more concerned about the unethical actions of our politicians that actually matter than whether some wee woman declared her actifry was gifted or not.

In YOUR opinion but not in mine

It literally happens though on IG threads about specific people - it's fact.

Plenty of stuff and threads over there I never venture on to

So which is it then? If it's all OK you'd think you would, why would you never?

The ones I do are okay and yes if instscammers are taking the piss out of genuinely nice people I want them called out.

You're contradicting the hell out of yourself.

The ones I do are OK but if I stick my head in the sand I can pretend the others don't happen

and yes if instscammers are taking the piss out of genuinely nice people I want them called out
For all those "just calling out" like you say you do - can you not see the hypocrisy of calling out "people taking the piss" but being absolutely fine about others doing the exact same thing but actual tearing apart looks etc?