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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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Alittleandalot · 02/01/2021 23:12

Respectfully op I think when it looks like we will be going back into lockdown screen time limits must go out the window. We are in a frankly awful time and he needs entertainment I can see why he was upset that his one source of entertainment was being curtailed. It’s not about the hobbies pers se but the boredom. Going forward I think you need to let go of screen time limits and schedule a lot of family activities. Also are you a key worker because it sounds like going to school would be really beneficial

Alittleandalot · 02/01/2021 23:13

In terms of hobbies has he tried gaming?

looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 23:19

Yes, screen limits have definitely gone out of the window! I told him it was enough at about 8.30 after being on it pretty much all day - a particularly bad day as I was ill in the night and so out of action until about lunchtime. I'm a key worker (teacher) but not sure I want him in school as we're in tier 4 and the fewer kids in the better imo. I'm wfh for at least a week so couldn't send him in anyway initially.

He does game, yes, but can't be doing it all the time.

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FirstPost99 · 02/01/2021 23:20

Aah OP no advice, just sympathy as I have an 8 year old boy who I can see growing into your son! He is the same if things don't come easy to him immediately but feels the pressure of what others can do, despite me explaining everyone has different abilities. Will follow your thread with interest, if that's ok.

GhostCurry · 02/01/2021 23:21

Really interesting post.

My DC is not at that age yet but I can see something similar on the horizon. Interested to see what advice people have here.

GhostCurry · 02/01/2021 23:23

FirstPost99 we can sit in the front row together!

MrsBlondie · 02/01/2021 23:24

My son is,14 and never really had hobbies.
During lockdown we have made him.come on walks. Now he will walk miles and enjoys it.
Take him on a,walk- good for mental wellbeing.
Screen time limits much longer now- bugger all else to do and cant meet with friends as tier 4 here.

Ragwort · 02/01/2021 23:26

Does he follow cricket on tv? I know it's yet mores screen time but my DS is a keen cricketer (older than your DS) and follows the World Series - or whatever they are called on tv - you have to have the right channel (you can tell I'm not a cricketer Grin), he also enjoys reading biographies about famous cricketers ...

MaryLeeOnHigh · 02/01/2021 23:26

Given his interest in history, it seems to me he does have a hobby right there which you need to encourage.

FlibbertyGiblets · 02/01/2021 23:26

I would lay my hands on a pair of drumsticks. He has the advantage of being able to read music already. He can look up sticking on you tube, maybe challenge him to do duplets with his left hand and triplets with his right, and how about you learn too? You won't need drums (yet) the back of a kitchen chair or armchair will do.

I had one very similar, I feel your pain (And his)

Drumming became his "thing", and because not a popular hobby no peer could say actually you are not that good so that was a win, as well. ie in football, rugby, cricket, high jump, running, it is obvious if the kid is any good or not. Do you see what I mean?

Hazelnutlatteplease · 02/01/2021 23:28

When things open back up, look at things like independent games shops, magic the gathering trading card game clubs and board gaming clubs. They are we less fiddly that model making. You could try chess clubs, theres some cross over but my guess is not quite right for him. Try air or sea cadets, but I suspect air will suit him better, not army, army wont work.

Speaking as some who never really twigged how good there were, have a look at reward systems at school. Generally they will reward the exceptional or the improvers. Often the completely forget the consistently good. Saying "youre good at this", "you've got this" can help. Limit "doing your best" narrative.

looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 23:28

Yes, you're welcome Ghost and First!

Can I ask while we al wait for advice, as a family do you do hobbies? We really don't and I often feel that both my sons would be better in families where they all went off kayaking together or the kids built a cabinet with their parents or something, but that's just not me and even less so my ex. I'm always working or doing housework just to keep it ticking over and I'm just not that active. I do interact a lot with kids, but not in a productive way I feel!

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FATEdestiny · 02/01/2021 23:31

I reitterate as above, ditch all notion of screen time limits at the moment. Lockdown is hard enough without adding unnecessary boredom.

Gaming is a hobby!

What games does he play?

Could he diversify or explore online gaming against those better than he is, as a challenge.

You said hobbies should be fun but much if your post doesn't seem to buy into this. He doesn't have to be doing educational stuff.

8.30pm is very early to be curtailing his screen time at aged 13. At the weekend. In school holidays. During a pandemic when it's his only way to socialise.

disneybee · 02/01/2021 23:32

If he's good at English and humanities, how about gently encouraging him to write stories? The beauty of creative writing is there is no 'right' or 'wrong', it's just about enjoying the process and there is the added bonus that it could end up being therapeutic for him. I spotted a kid's book while Christmas shopping that was along the lines of this, where it gently helps you write a short story, thought it was a great idea:

wordery.com/write-your-own-story-book-jane-chisholm-9781409523352?currency=GBP&gtrck=Q1Vadm5OdW9xQjc1SE5JODJ3c2xGeElDZjdxcURaTG5qNllkODAvNXB4UXFDRmF1d25ZUmZ0cXlVVVE3NzNpdHNqVVVZRWljOTVibW5sbHgyUElkOEE9PQ&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0MD_BRCTARIsADXoopbvKowY6lR9jr9ar4jZaS4UsMhRCTH-73w8k0QZl-zsJEyMLb0Uw0kaAhkuEALw_wcB#

User0ne · 02/01/2021 23:32

Hmm, he is 13. Probably rather hormonal (or getting there at least). I wouldn't read too much into this though I can see why it would be so upsetting.

It's probably worth a conversation when he's less emotional about how much work people have to put it to be really exceptional at things; eg average 10000 hours of practice. Does he look up to any athletes, professional historians etc? - talk about the amount of time they spend training/ studying etc.

It's not.like he's doing badly if he's getting grades 7-9 in year 9 so some perspective might be useful too.

DonLewis · 02/01/2021 23:32

Ah, it takes time to find something that you love and want to do.

Has he tried skills toys? They're not really toys, but there's pen spinning, fidget chucks, card tricks, basically dexterity skills.cheap to buy the stuff for, loads of YouTube videos and you just do it while you're doing other things. Even calligraphy?

If he likes history what about the reenactment stuff?

Coding? Arduinos, raspberry pi, code bugs?

Whittling?

Teach him to be a card shark!?

Has he tried hockey?

Loads of things to try, it's just a case of keep on trying stuff till the right thing comes along. I'm 42 and have only just discovered knitting, but I can't stop! Like I say, it takes time! Bless him. This year has been tough and he's feeling it. Hope he feels better after a good sleep.

disneybee · 02/01/2021 23:33

[quote disneybee]If he's good at English and humanities, how about gently encouraging him to write stories? The beauty of creative writing is there is no 'right' or 'wrong', it's just about enjoying the process and there is the added bonus that it could end up being therapeutic for him. I spotted a kid's book while Christmas shopping that was along the lines of this, where it gently helps you write a short story, thought it was a great idea:

wordery.com/write-your-own-story-book-jane-chisholm-9781409523352?currency=GBP&gtrck=Q1Vadm5OdW9xQjc1SE5JODJ3c2xGeElDZjdxcURaTG5qNllkODAvNXB4UXFDRmF1d25ZUmZ0cXlVVVE3NzNpdHNqVVVZRWljOTVibW5sbHgyUElkOEE9PQ&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0MD_BRCTARIsADXoopbvKowY6lR9jr9ar4jZaS4UsMhRCTH-73w8k0QZl-zsJEyMLb0Uw0kaAhkuEALw_wcB#[/quote]
That example is maybe a bit childish for him, but I mean there are plenty of books out there that are guides or prompts to help kids explore their writing x

cheesecake864 · 02/01/2021 23:34

I don't have any real advice but also have a 13yr old who acts very grown up for his age, but was also sobbing in my arms yesterday so I wonder whether it's a hormone thing st this age that they lack confidence but feel they are expected to be grown up?

MollyButton · 02/01/2021 23:35

Musician Dad's can be a bad thing for confidence in music from their children.
If he wants to keep doing the clarinet then encourage that. Can his teacher suggest some pieces to be learnt for fun not just exam pieces? Can they suggest some local practice group for fun (ideally which is suitable for those with a lower ability than your son, so he can feel good about himself not stretched).
Can he join a lower level Cricket side - more village green level than county?
My DC have all tried a wide variety of hobbies, and a lot have fallen by the wayside.

He also sounds a perfectionist. So it might be helpful to praise him for effort rather than achievement - even if he then throws the compliment back in your face.

To be honest my DDs have both had moments like your son, and I often partly put it down to hormones. But then everyone's mental health is suffering this year. A group like Young Minds might be able to help.

And maybe point out to him successful people who didn't do that well at school? School really isn't the be all and end all of life, and it is possible to step off the conveyor and be successful. Which might be reassuring in these uncertain times.

And his hobbies can be reading, finding out about history, researching aspects that interest him (or even recreating the War of the Roses in Minecraft).

Randomrebel · 02/01/2021 23:36

It’s so hard for young people at the moment. Do you think someone from school or his dad may have triggered his tears and comments OP?

I would say try and make sure he gets outside for some exercise everyday if possible. A brisk walk on a bright day will do him good.

My DS 17 has just started playing online chess he played it briefly in primary with some school friends and some randoms.

He also plays XBox with some school friends and has just started learning his driving theory.

DD 15 really struggled during the last lockdown. I am trying to cut her some slack with regards to her pigsty of a bedroom, she does her homework and plays games with her best friend on the ipad and phone.

Its also nice if you can get them to watch a film or tv series or play a game or something (but this doesn’t happen often in our house

Take care OP

Trenisenne · 02/01/2021 23:36

Not much help, but honestly, watching films and programmes in foreign languages is hard, even with subtitles (which can be rubbish anyway). These are films made for native speakers not learners (and by the way, if it was engrenages, it's beyond some native speakers too).

looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 23:38

Thanks for the replies everyone!

He does love walking and has an app (kermoot?) and will often plan walks for us. He is also interested in counties (!) and we plan day trips to those he hasn't visited etc, but all that's curtailed now. I definitely encourage the history and, again, we do museums and stately homes etc but now not possible. In fact, I'd say he has loads of interests (also loves politics and is itching to join Labour for his 14th in March) just not hobbies. You can't say, 'Oh, I'm really good at debating with my mum...' even though he is!

I definitely think the bloody reward system at his school is shit - so competitive and they are forever ranking the kids against each other and having 'head to heads'. Really annoying and downright unhelpful imo.

He does really like chess, so that might well be something to look at - he gets frustrated as ds2 and I are both shit though I think his dad gives him a good game. Would hate any of the cadet things if they are overly patriotic etc.

I like the drumming idea and will run it by him - might help with his frustration too!

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Lifeisforalimitedperiodonly · 02/01/2021 23:38

If he is interested in history - how about tracing his family tree? I have always had an interest in this and it's only as I got older that I actually started to do it. It's addictive and I wish I had started sooner so that I could have found out more from relatives who were around then.

SquishySquirmy · 02/01/2021 23:38

Some people are generalists rather than specialists, interested in and good at many things but not "expert" at any one single thing. This is a great way to be!

It sounds like your son gets excited by new hobbies and is keen to try new things, but is perhaps not so good at applying the commitment required long term. This is perfectly normal, although putting in the practice when things get difficult is something he can work on. Maybe help him to understand that it is FINE to be an all rounder. In fact, it is perhaps healthier than being completely obsessed by one single activity. To really, really, excel in something (to the point of being better than everyone at music or sport etc) requires a level of commitment that borders on unhealthy obsession imo, which is not healthy although I know others will disagree.

He seems to be putting a lot of pressure on himself. Does he drop hobbies when he realises he wont be the best at them?
Maybe try to persuade him that an activity is worth doing if you enjoy it. Whether you are good, or excellent, or rubbish, or just average - if you enjoy it it is worthwhile. Otherwise people like me (naturally rubbish at sport) would never do anything active and would be very unhealthy.

Is there anything you would like to take up? C25K? Or dancing? Or painting? If it is something that doesn't come naturally then all the better as an example!

TramaDollface · 02/01/2021 23:41

Oddly, I’ve had a similar bleak day with my son too; although it’s more that he’s so unenthusiastic about anything that doesn’t involve Lego reading or screens. Or good!’

Physically really inactive and I don’t think that helps his social confidence when he’s at a schoo where sportsmanship is highly prized - he even manages a sulk when walking his own dog Hmm