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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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Ginandplatonic · 03/01/2021 00:16

I don’t have any answers for you (wish I did!) but he sounds very similar to my 16 year old son. He’s good at everything (school work, sport, singing, dancing, acting...) but not outstanding at anything. He desperately wants to be really good at something (anything!) but is not prepared to put the work in.

I have pointed out to him repeatedly that the people who he assumes are effortlessly better than him at things actually put in lots of hard work that he doesn’t see. He says he realises this, but that doesn’t seem to translate to his actions - he dabbles in things and then gives up when he isn’t instantly good at them.

Ive done all the things people are saying - praise effort rather than achievement, allow him to fail etc. Hasn’t made a difference.

He has decided drama and singing are his passions, but again does minimal practice before auditions and then gets depressed when he doesn’t get main roles.

None of this is helpful to you I realise, but just so you know it’s not only your son. Let me know if you figure out the answer!

SuperSleepyBaby · 03/01/2021 00:17

I find audio books great for my son - his mind is occupied. He colours or does lego while listening - and it is less screen time. It occupies him for ages - so less time to complain about being bored. The library has an app with lots of good, popular audio books and we also use Audible.

Ajl46 · 03/01/2021 00:18

This is a really good book covering the myth of talent and the power of practise - might be worth a read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bounce-Myth-Talent-Power-Practice/dp/0007350546/ref=mpssa111?dchild=1&keywords=bounce+book+matthew+syed&qid=1609633033&sprefix=bounce+book&sr=8-1

JovialNickname · 03/01/2021 00:18

He just sounds miserable and fed up with this whole situation we're in... I don't think he really means he doesn't have enough hobbies or talents. He's just saying it feels to him that life doesn't have any purpose at the moment, and there's nothing meaningful to do. He's articulating that feeling in his 13 year old way.

I too would let him have as much screen time as he wants, there's not much else to do and it's a distraction. How many of us are spending too much time on MN at the moment? It's whatever gets you through x

DuzzyFuck · 03/01/2021 00:20

Came to say the same as @disneybee; if he has a flair for English, likes reading and and history is his thing then maybe he could try writing? He could (for example) start a blog aimed at kids his own age or younger, and sharing some of his history knowledge in a fun / accessible way?

FangsForTheMemory · 03/01/2021 00:20

Birdwatching and botany are two things that combine really well with walking. Also local history, the study of the local landscapes.

SpikySara · 03/01/2021 00:21

I’d ignore gaming suggestions, that’s no more of a hobby than watching TV
Dungeons and Dragons isn’t computer gaming. It’s a collaborative storytelling game would normally be played sitting round a table with friends. However in these times a lot of people are using technology to sit round a virtual table because they aren’t allowed to sit round a real one. It’s great for meeting people and interacting socially if you’re isolated or shy. OP your son could try watching Critical Role on YouTube (a group of people who film themselves playing the game together). If he likes it you could help him find a group to play with - a virtual group for now and a real life group later on.

Chanandlerbong01 · 03/01/2021 00:21

What area do you live? Are you close to hills/mountains? Maybe you could collect trig points. Let him research and plan the route and aim for one a week/fortnight/month whatever suits you best. Get pictures at the top so he can see the amount you’ve managed building up, maybe keep count of miles and elevation you’ve covered.

FieryPinkPepper · 03/01/2021 00:23

SlightlyJaded, can I ask which book of chords of band songs you bought, and also which YouTube tutorial you used? We also have an unplayed guitar languishing in the house!

sergeilavrov · 03/01/2021 00:24

Has he tried coding? If he enjoys military history, sit and watch the film about Turing that came out a few years ago, and maybe let him learn about GCHQ and their work today. There are good options like Code Academy he can learn through which helps him accomplish things quickly and consistently. A friend of mine is the CEO of a company called Imagilabs, which produce accessories you can code on the go too. They target girls but might be something he would enjoy.

Coding is not only problem solving, which it sounds like he could develop skills in better, but also offers opportunities to change the world from your sofa - and give great job opportunities at the same time. I’d also encourage ‘unique’ skills so he isn’t competing with others at school. Perhaps he could learn Russian? Lots of history, lots of opportunities to use the skill too.

Fearandsurprise · 03/01/2021 00:25

@BillMasheen

One thing I think is worth saying is, there is nothing wrong with being a hobby dabbler.

I am. It drives my husband nuts, but I love the challenge of learning something new, but have no interest in taking things further once I have learned how to do it. I have taken a few things to a high level (regional championship level in a sport etc. ) and actually in general I don’t think it’s worth the extra effort.

I don’t see my dabbling as a bad thing. I have LOADS of skills, and it is massively useful socially. A mate is into horses, yep, I can take one along for a spin. I can ride a motorcycle, ski, sail, windsurf, skateboard, snowboard, ice skate etc. well enough to tag along with experienced hobbyists and have a nice time. I can also paint, shoot, knit, play chess and crochet competently enough if I fancy.

Some things, like cycling, running and some musical instruments I do come back round to every couple of years and get a bit better each time. And quite often with a new hobby I make some new friends, who I keep after I’ve moved on to other stuff which is brilliant.

I think my point is, please reassure him it’s OK to never find an all consuming passion or talent. Be a Renaissance person, do loads of stuff. That’s fine. In fact it’s (i think) better. More fun. Become a more rounded person.

Im really glad that I found out my talent in a particular sport when I was a young adult. And I WAS exceptionally good. I pushed it for 5 years, did incredibly well and then gave up as job done having taken it as far as I wanted without a qualm. I’d hate to think how I’d have felt if I’d been a kid and had a pushy parent agitating for me to carry on. (Which I did see a lot of)

I agree with this. Especially if ADHD or perfectionism might be a factor in the OP’s son’s behaviour, so focussing on one achievement might be difficult.

A previous poster mentioned the 10,000 hours rule for excelling at something, but the 100 hours approach might be something of interest and encourage a growth mindset that others have said. Here’s an introduction to it, in case it’s useful medium.com/the100hourchallenge/the-100-hour-challenge-c2daf3718fbb

KnobJockey · 03/01/2021 00:26

Ah, I've got a 17 year old like this- wants to be the best at everything with no effort, and if she's not there straight away she doesn't want to do it any more. So many teenage meltdowns! Weather through it, keep on pointing out that they can get better if they practice, and if they don't want to do that to stop being a bloody whinge bag. We're not out the other side yet, but we're getting there.

Siepie · 03/01/2021 00:39

I was identical to your son at that age. I’m still not sure what to advise, other than that I grew out of feeling like that. I still don’t have a specific hobby or talent, but I’ve become happy with just dabbling. When I was about 12 I started horse riding, but got fed up that others my age were already competing and I’d never be ‘good enough’ in comparison so I stopped. Whereas a couple of years ago I started adult ballet classes and just had fun.

I imagine that the lockdown boredom is making this feeling worse. I agree with what others have said about finding non-competitive past times - learn an unusual language on Duolingo, write stories, try a less common craft like model making. Something that can just be ‘his’ rather than e.g. taking up running and not being the fastest in his year when cross country restarts.

starray · 03/01/2021 00:40

He seems to have an an obvious hobby...his interest in history. Rather than find a new hobby, maybe build on that?

Namenic · 03/01/2021 00:41

I’d teach him some cooking at that age coz it’s a good skill to have. Maybe he can plan 1 meal a week, figure out ingredients etc and you could help him?

I have done a bit of geocaching - which is kinda fun, but there aren’t loads near us.

I love marble runs and got some for xmas. There are loads of YouTube videos of cool ones (eg jelle’s marble runs) and it’s quite creative so you can get inspired to make your own. My kids like trying them out too.

Crosswords and scrabble are quite cool. Juggling, calligraphy (you can get your own wax seal made), DH has done a bit of reading on heraldry and typeface. If you have a garden then maybe see if he can build a tent out of string or whatever. Grow some plants/food/herbs?

BillMasheen · 03/01/2021 00:51

Oooh. That article is me. Exactly!

I often do have a ‘how good do I want to be?‘ goal in mind.

So for me, in recent years, I practiced guitar till I had about 10 chords (plenty to play simple stuff) then moved on. Probably a couple of hundred hours. I can pick a guitar up at a party and play ‘something‘ should the occasion arise. That’s enough for me.

I’ve done a full language tree on Duolingo. Then moved on to other resources to carry the language on. Not given that one up.. yet. (Been going about 3 years now)

I spent 2 years getting fit and skilled enough to do precisely 2 bouts of a particular complex contact sport. Then Retired happy, chuffed to have done it. My goal was 1 bout. So exceeded that one! I might use my limited expertise in the sport to learnt to officiate matches. (if we are ever allowed back thanks to COVID) but I might not.

In another sport, I practiced for about 3 years until I got 2 specific achievement awards. Got them. Moved on. I kept the gear as I will go back to that one. I loved it, but fancied something new.

Spent a year training to cycle a particular local sportive. Loved it. Set my sights on a longer one if possible.

Im quite competitive and a bit of an obsessive over achiever, so I Love choosing stuff I have no particular talent at. It is futile for me to try to be good so I can just enjoy the process of learning, and the Friends I make along the way.

1805 · 03/01/2021 00:55

I think you can just keep on talking to him and encouraging him to either accept himself as he is, or change. Changing might mean putting more effort into something, or taking up something new.
Not being busy with hobbies is ok too. Maybe he could…shock horror…help you around the house???

I think it is important children learn to take responsibility for themselves. Help and support him to do whichever path he decides.
Also point out that a lockdown is a real opportunity to change and/or try something new. No-one will be watching your first attempts!!
It's ok not to be amazing at things. Remind him about the stuff he IS good at. What makes him him?

13 is a tricky age. Doubly tricky in the current situation. He will most likely be starting to wonder about his place in the world and who he is. You sound like good parents. He'll be fine!
Good luck!

whaa · 03/01/2021 00:56

Bookmarking. Ds also upset and no interests at all now.

1805 · 03/01/2021 00:58

Or you could just say "find something to do, or empty the dishwasher". Mine always seem to be extremely busy and engrossed in things whenever I ask them to help….

VivaMiltonKeynes · 03/01/2021 01:05

www.futurelearn.com/subjects/it-and-computer-science-courses/game-development There are loads of free online courses on this site on all subjects . I've put the gaming link in but there is everything provided by Unis and other institutions.

SushiGo · 03/01/2021 01:10

I am going to disagree and say I think keeping some screen limits are really important even though lockdown. Staring at screens all day is visually exhausting and makes everything seem much worse when you turn it off (even if you were enjoying what you were doing!)

I also don't think it's any huge issue to not have a hobby. I had a very emotional almost 12 come to me recently and had to really pick them up and point out that it is actually completely normal to still be picking and choosing what you want to do and what you enjoy at that age.

I don't think it helps to keep offering new hobbies as solutions to how he feels, it's better to offer reassurance that it's okay not to have an obvious talent yet, and okay to still be trying out different hobbies/career options for decades yet.

Shetoshe · 03/01/2021 01:14

We don't all have to be "great" at something. From your posts, he has a wide variety of interests. It's fine to do things purely for the enjoyment of it without becoming an expert.

I'd encourage more social interaction with friends as he seems in danger of becoming stuck in his head. Strong connections are much more more important than being average at hobbies.

StrawberryTot · 03/01/2021 01:21

Warhammer...

Have you tried it? There is so much from researching, reading, building, painting and playing.

Unfortunately not the cheapest hobbie but a fun one. My DS became interested a few years ago, I don’t partake other than playing against him but it really does help calm my DS.

SuperHighway · 03/01/2021 01:22

With his love of history, has he tried metal detecting? We used to love it as kids.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/01/2021 01:35

Hobbies to children often equate to sport or an instrument and your ds doesn’t play football or anything else with a passion. His “hobbies” are walking and exploring the country, surely? That’s pretty good hobby tbh. So much better than wanting to be popular, learning to speak grammatically incorrectly and words like “innit” and refusing to read... I’m talking about my 12 yo dd btw. Thank goodness she is sporty and has kept up dancing and riding... albeit the latter isn’t happening again atm. I have decided now she has to sit and listen to me read for 20 mins every day and follow the words like a little kid. My dh is french and I’m fluent. She refuses point blank. My point is be careful what you wish for.