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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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Stillamum3 · 03/01/2021 03:30

As PP have said, he has a keen interest in history. Could you maybe interest him in Family History. He could interview older relatives via Zoom, collect and document family photographs and research the family online. Most of us leave it far too late and no-one is left alive to ask the all important questions. It need not cost a lot - when I started out I used Family Search, which is entirely free, for a year or more. Of course - it's more screen time, but at the moment what does it matter? He wouldn't be competing with anyone and it can teach a lot about social history and geography. If he likes writing, he could perhaps write up his findings. There are free programmes that are available to download. Only problem with it is, it can turn into an obsession!

user686833 · 03/01/2021 04:08

Watch the new Disney Pixar movie Soul with him. It's just come out on Disney+ due to cinema closures. The basic moral is that you don't need to have a special talent or skill, and if you fixate too much on that you may miss out on the simple pleasure of just living.

I think it's probably just a mix of being hormonal and being overdue a vigorous walk though OP, don't dwell on it too much. I would say it's a minority that have special talents, he's just struggling with his identity as all 13 year olds do, it's not a parenting failure. None of mine have special sporting or musical abilities.

SD1978 · 03/01/2021 04:18

Similar here. Plenty of opportunities and no want to stick at or work at anything, but whines there's nothing to do/ nothing they are good at. I have always been honest. If you're lazy and put no effort in then there's no improvement. People who are good at things practise and study them to improve and if that's not done, they don't. I get it's harder, there's less to do with tier 4, but he needs to take personal responsibility if he feels he doesn't improve, and realise that sticking at something is the only chance you have to do so.

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/01/2021 04:23

Hi Op
I think like what other poster has said finding about your family history,is a good one activity for your son.
I also think as he is interested in history,when things eventually improve Lockdown eases up.

What about your son joining a historical re anactments society?/or Amateur Dramatics society?
For e.g dressing, up in medieval costumes/or another time period, putting on small performance in family show events like a village fetes etc in different places,

Also Archery,
Vistting museums,is there any interesting to see with British, museum of London an other museums on internet now.

Also would your son be interested in joining martial arts classes,?there is so many different martial arts displines out there,to find,explore
And the history of Martial Arts goes back to Ancient Asia, (China/Japan .encourage your son to explore this aspect of Martial Arts too.
(i watched a TV series a while ago about the history of martial Arts it was good.

Visting the libarey to do some research on interesting historical Themes/Topics etc.

ChestnutStuffing · 03/01/2021 04:25

@SD1978

Similar here. Plenty of opportunities and no want to stick at or work at anything, but whines there's nothing to do/ nothing they are good at. I have always been honest. If you're lazy and put no effort in then there's no improvement. People who are good at things practise and study them to improve and if that's not done, they don't. I get it's harder, there's less to do with tier 4, but he needs to take personal responsibility if he feels he doesn't improve, and realise that sticking at something is the only chance you have to do so.
The difficulty with this is lots of 13 year olds don't have the executive function to do that.

IME most kids do better with some kind of requirements in their day. They need to develop a habit, and habits take time to build. Being at home on vacation all days and flaking out is one thing, but it tends to make even adults a bit crazy after a while.

But some time on exercise, some time reading, some time on instrument practice, some time cooking or helping out, will make the day go better for him and he'll feel better.

gutful · 03/01/2021 04:29

I would take the boy to a music store & have him pick out a guitar or whatever instrument he liked & get him set up with some YouTube tutorials

gutful · 03/01/2021 04:32

Or buy a cheapie second hand on marketplace if you have an idea of what instrument he may like to try.

Your son has to understand that a hobby, something you’re good at is something you like & are passionate about.

It will draw you away from the computer because you want to spend time on it

Or you find yourself researching that hobby of yours a lot on the internet

It’s awful to feel like you’re no good at anything. At the same time you have to be open to trying new things to find what you like

nolongersurprised · 03/01/2021 04:53

IME most kids do better with some kind of requirements in their day. They need to develop a habit, and habits take time to build. Being at home on vacation all days and flaking out is one thing, but it tends to make even adults a bit crazy after a while.

I agree. Once the listlessness and boredom improve things will feel better for him in general. While he’s moody and irritable giving him never-ending hobby options won’t help. Work on his basic day-to-day enthusiasm and let the rest follow.

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/01/2021 04:59

Hi Op
I think your son could be interested
In visiting major Art galleries around the world on internet/facebook etc.
(There is a lot of historical stuff related to Famous Art pictures for your son to explore/research.

Also think Herblism/Botany be quite interesting to research about cause of interesting historical infor,such as the mix of medicinal facts,folk lore, the historical sea faring dangerous adventures exploits to discover new plants etc, symbolic meanings behind Herblism/Botany.

KnitsAndGiggles · 03/01/2021 05:17

I haven't RTFT in full, so I don't know if anyone else has said it but please don't let him view gaming or online gaming as a hobby. It's not, and it can become addictive. I lost years of my early twenties playing an online game - hours and hours every day playing with "friends". They are not friends and its a tragic waste of time. Screen time shouldn't go out of the window.

thosetalesofunexpected · 03/01/2021 05:17

Hi Op
If you do not have your own garden?
Your son can collect grow herbs on the window will and also grow indoor house plants too.
Also when lockdown eases up things improve.
Be good to vist Botanical gardens in uk such as Kew gardens etc..

Jenny70 · 03/01/2021 05:32

I have a similar aged DS who is also bright, a perfectionist and doesn't "like" doing anything offline.

I suggest you find something charitable to fill his time - do any of your neighbours have young children? He could draw/write a picture book with their name(s) as characters. He could make a board game for them - trivial pursuit with topic areas they like, multi choice makes it easier if kids are young.

Or do you have an elderly neighbour/friend that he could bake biscuits for or make them a meal?

Acts of charity encourage them to think outside themselves. Choosing a young child or elderly person increases the chances that their act will be met with great enthusiasm/thanks.

Or contact charity organisation - dog home, homelessness shelter - ask what they need - towels, food packages, sleeping bags, clothes. He could start a collection, either by messaging friends and neighbours to drop things to outside box or make fliers for them to donate them directly and do letterbox drop whilst on a walk.

nolongersurprised · 03/01/2021 05:43

You haven’t done anything wrong either. You’ve facilitated sporting, cultural and musical activities for him. That’s all you can do, you can’t create the spark for him.

AradiaGC · 03/01/2021 05:49

Lots of good advice here. I'd add that while it's true that he'd be better at things if he did more than minimal practice, it's not a good idea to bring it up while he's already very upset. I know that at that age I'd have interpreted it as being told that it was my own fault I was rubbish at everything and felt the way I did, and it'd get me more worked up - whereas a chat about it when I was in a calmer mood wouldn't have prompted that reaction and would be taken as intended.

One suggestion I have is watching foreign language historical dramas on Netflix. I'm learning Spanish and find that if I watch a modern show, they speak too fast for me to follow much and there are far more words I don't know. Historical shows seem easier. (Also, if watching with English subtitles, sometimes they're a paraphrase and don't match what you hear word-for-word! That confused me at first.)

inquietant · 03/01/2021 05:51

I think it is entirely understandable he is bored and not motivated. Lots of kids are losing their confidence due to the changes to their lives. I also think any non-screen activity would be good given how much bloody screen time they have when doing online school.

I have always been a bit funny about the word 'hobby' myself. Maybe this year he could just do some fun things, can you spend time doing them with him? In our house we do lots of things things together, such as gardening, crafts, cooking, art, board games, photography. To me none of these are 'hobbies' they are just enjoyable/positive ways to fill time. In particular I find they need support when their projects go wrong and are not as good as they wanted. Getting through that is important.

Do you have hobbies yourself? Does his dad? Maybe he could just join in those with you.

Coldhandscoldheart · 03/01/2021 06:29

I’m afraid I’ve just read the first page & ops posts.
I was similar (altho actually not as naturally talented or sporty! ) I have finally come to accept myself as a bit of a generalist.

He sounds quite politically mature in some ways, would it help to start talking about the politics of education & reward, and also about spin?
How many runs did he do before he ran himself f out? So he managed this many balls & runs, but then made a mistake . Oh well. He was good enough to get selected, and now he knows how to not do that next time.
Would second the idea of a couple of biographies - you could also talk about how different people tell their stories.
Someone wrote either a blog or series of tweets about Michael Flatley’s biography which are very funny.

Would quizzing together be a possibility? A bit of University challenge or online pub quiz? Or only connect but that gets very hard.

Honestly I think it’s great that you’re engaging with him with this. My parents didn’t so much & I could really have done with it.

Sostenueto · 03/01/2021 06:58

Well he's good at school but moans about others doing better. Typical top set pressure. The pressure to do well in these groups is really massive. I remember when the grade 9 s in GCSEs came in my Dgd felt that if she didn't get 9s then she was a failure a view held by most of her friends too. Seeing others in your group much better than you is also 'normal' in these sets. They not only have perceived pressure in top groups peer pressure but unintentional pressure from home to do well. This can come out with huge constant moaning about how hard it is ( and it is) to do the work, low self esteem and stress. It can then lead to whatever they try and do it won't be good enough touch. Hence not completing things because it's ' hard' it's stress it's competiveness it's low esteem having a knock on effect coupled with divorced parents that is driving the behaviour along with lack of a life in Covid situation.
Best sort out stress first. Maybe assurance that he dies not have to be such a perfectionist it's ok to do a bit of this a bit of that without having to complete it it's ok to do what takes your fancy at the time and having a set hobby or interest is not necessary. Try to make him relax and enjoy what he does without pressure whenever he wants to do it. Mental health comes before anything and our children are stressed in the situation that a pandemic puts them in. Try doing something together have a laugh take the pressure off him to perform all the time. Be silly together, a laugh a day keeps the doctor away!
Lastly hormones aren't helping but what I see is a high achiever struggling with boredom and expectations either self inflicted or unintentional by outside influences or family.

gerispringer · 03/01/2021 07:09

Has anyone mentioned poetry? Read some modern poets and you can get a lot of the angst in a short burst - find a poetry competition - plenty aimed at youngsters and encourage him to enter, There is probably a local poetry society which are always running competitions. It’s not a hobby exactly, but can be an interest plus it doesn’t have to take long. Sounds as if he’s good at writing already, My 13 year old was thrilled to win a poetry comp as she’d never won anything.

MrsMap · 03/01/2021 07:29

What about letting him decorate his bedroom? A nice mix of research, planning, and activity doing it.....and with the bonus of a fab new room as a reward!

Calmondeck · 03/01/2021 07:32

Sounds to me like you might try something new (that both of you might be equally bad at at first) since it seems you’d like mor opportunities to bond with him, and perhaps get active yourself? Can you commit to mini fitness challenges? 25 push ups a day together? A 30 min YouTube yoga class?

aintnothinbutagstring · 03/01/2021 07:34

My DS is a bit screen/game obsessed but we've tended to encourage it as a positive thing, he's 9 though. We bought him books on LUA coding for Roblox and got him a coding Robot for Xmas which we have been building together and he takes over with the coding as I don't have a clue.

Anything can be a hobby or interest. Your ds sounds like a very clever child, just lacking a bit in confidence maybe. Tell him to stop comparing himself to other people and appreciate himself and what he is good at.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 03/01/2021 07:37

He sounds likes he is setting the bar very highly here - as are you?!

Is it not quite rare to find a hobby you utterly excel at at any age? It’s not always about being the best but fun/fitness/team or whatever. It’s a lesson in life that there is always someone “better’ than you. That is the way it is and you will soon lose interest in anything if you quit if you aren’t excelling.

I’m musical and good enough and love it still in middle age. Have never hugely excelled as I have a varied life and too little time (and not quite enough talent either). But it’s been a huge part of my life nontheless and enriched it. Ditto various sports.

I think I would tell your son to have some fun and enjoyment and all lighten up a little! I would restrict screen time as I feel a developing brain needs as little as possible

BikeRunSki · 03/01/2021 07:39

When it’s possible, how about archery? A lot of clubs don’t take you until you are 10/12/13 anyway, so he’d be starting on a level playing field.

billybagpuss · 03/01/2021 07:44

@ChestnutStuffing

Oh, something I'd add about stuff like music.

Very few adults who play well were entirely self-motivated as children. A few were but that is really unusual. Most need not only practise reminders, but some structure built around it, even if there is some whining and pushback. There is a tendency to think kids who aren't self motivated about practise are just not interested, but IME that is not true. Some people don't carry on with music but most adults who do continue and love it wouldn't have without parents making sure practise happened.

It's not usually until the teen years that they become more able to discipline themselves to achieve what they want.

I teach piano and completely agree with this.

How about a deal with ds that he does just 10 minutes daily, trade it off against household chores if you like. Also have a look on amazon for music that he will enjoy, Disney, Harry Potter to do alongside teachers stuff.

sittingpondering · 03/01/2021 07:47

I voted Yabu as your son already has two hobbies: reading and an interest in history. The definition of hobby is something you do for pleasure so IMO the issue here is not that he has no interests but that it is becoming pressured for him to fund one to be the ‘best’ in otherwise it’s not worth doing. He’s getting good grades at school, so as long as he’s healthy and gets exercise then why can’t he just have space to enjoy pursuing whatever interests him without pressure to excel in one thing? Why can’t he just enjoy reading at bedtime and watching his history documentaries?

It’s fine to be a generalist and interested in lots if things. He’s clearly focussed and motivated at school. I would stop ‘casually’ suggesting french foreign language films and ask him what history documentary he’d like to watch together.

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