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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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DartmoorChef · 02/01/2021 23:58

If he's good with spelling and English, then he could play scrabble online. ISC is a great easy to use site, and you can set the levels to your abilities.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 02/01/2021 23:59

My heart went out to you and your son as I read your post, OP. I'm old now but it took me right back to that age, and the hopeless tears, the disappointments, the feelings of failure and all that other adolescent anguish. And that was without a pandemic disaster.

I bet half his friends feel exactly the same, or did last year, or will next year. There's good advice on this thread. All I can add is sympathy, and the knowledge that one day I just woke up and wasn't bothered about it any more.

mumfordofson · 02/01/2021 23:59

With regard to starting a hobby or sport, I know it can be tough to persevere with new activities that others seem to have already mastered, but I overheard some advice my DS got from his tennis coach (sat in the car waiting to pick him up) that I thought was very apt...

  1. whatever you want to do, do it for yourself. Ignore comparisons with others, they're pointless as everyone is different and 2) don't put things off, if you want to do it, get on with it now. Time flies and in a years time, you'll wish you started today.
TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 00:00

He’s obviously very bright OP. He does have interests compared to many children his age, it sounds to me like he needs a bit more encouragement to keep going with things rather than being allowed to give them up. I know it’s hard when you work but sometimes kids appreciate firmness even when kicking back against it.

I’m shocked that a musician dad cba to get involved in practicing with him. Does he at least get involved in his musical education?

With the French, I’d let him go through every French series on Amazon and Netflix. Reassure him that if he continues to listen to language repeatedly he will familiarise himself, and begin to hear the words and pick up phrases. Even Spiral cop slang is something!
Also you can get magazines with audio in French for students, he might find that interesting.

I think the ancestry /family history is a good idea, also metal detecting, archeology digs for kids, local social history groups for kids, visiting historical sites like battlefields not just stately homes.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 03/01/2021 00:00

The screen is not entertainment for his generation - it is a window to his world. Now is not the time to set limits.

Encourage him to expand his interests. If he likes history, there are battle reenactment programs, virtual world battles, etc. Assassin's Creed book series has a computer tie-in.
My grandson was like your son at that age. He was heavy into history and war games. All his friends were into football, basketball, baseball, etc. I encouraged him to do what he wanted to do.
Five years on, he is into building computers and designing game graphics. He plans to go to college for a degree in computer/media design.
Maybe check on some computer building kits for him to start with and a few Assassin's Creed novels?

ChikiTIKI · 03/01/2021 00:02

I remember not feeling like I really had and interests as a teenager. I didn't really mind though.

You can't hand him a hobby he will instantly be great at. And even if you could, it would become boring pretty quickly if he already didn't have much improvement to make.

Does he realise that most people aren't very good at new hobbies they take up. Unless through hard work they're great at something like rugby and go on to something similar like American football.

Also not being great at something shouldn't put you off. You should enjoy it for what it is rather than just get enjoyment from being better than most at it.

It sounds like he is suffering from boredom more than wanting to find something to put his efforts in to. If he wanted to put his efforts in to something he wouldn't mind so much that he had improvement to make to start with.

No judgement here by the way. We are all very bored at the moment. It must be hard for teenagers who are often bored anyway, regardless of lockdown.

I wonder if boredom in teen years is useful to us in the long run. Teaches us that we need to find our own fun and not be always depended to others for keeping our minds occupied.

MLMsuperfan · 03/01/2021 00:02

We've all felt like your son at times OP.

Confidence is a huge factor; people don't feel like picking up a new hobby or skill if they just don't believe, deep down, that this will be a profitable endeavour for them. That's something you get bit by bit, with smaller wins, and when you get it you can achieve a LOT.

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 00:03

I’d ignore gaming suggestions, that’s no more of a hobby than watching TV and a complete waste of time imo. I’d discourage it as long as you can.

It does also sound like he needs to get outdoors more. Other than being in isolation, tier 4 doesn’t mean you can’t go out, we’ve all been out every day.

FlorisFigure · 03/01/2021 00:04

Get him cooking and coding!

My DS (same age) spends far too much time on his screens. He does, however, love to make pizza from scratch every Saturday (homemade pizza dough, homemade tomato sauce) - it’s messy, time consuming but he loves it.

He is also coding a game, it’s pretty basic, but he did it and I’m proud of him as ComSci is beyond me.

He is also hormonal and this is a very difficult time. My normally outgoing family have all become reclusive, my newly graduated DD has had 2 job offers withdrawn from her due to Covid and life is pretty shit.

Also, my DS goes to an independent school where the talented kids have had private coaching since they were in the womb. It is very hard to keep up with this level of intensive training so as long as he is good enough, he is fine.

Has your DS cried before? I do think a lot of this could be hormones. Try talking to him in a few days.

Be kind to yourself Flowers

whaa · 03/01/2021 00:05

Bookmarking to read thoroughly later. My son has no hobbies at all now apart from computer games. Won’t do anything else.Took them sledging and he moaned all the time in a patronising fashion. Yours sounds v hard on himself but he does at least have interests. Good luck

MadameBlobby · 03/01/2021 00:08

Oh bless, he sounds quite a lot like my 14 year old. He’s also really clever and academic stuff comes easy and I think he struggles with not getting things right away. We’ve had football, guitar etc but they’ve all fallen by the wayside. I explain to him that no one is good at everything when they first start doing it but it seems to fall on deaf ears, frustrating

SionnachRua · 03/01/2021 00:08

I’d ignore gaming suggestions, that’s no more of a hobby than watching TV and a complete waste of time imo. I’d discourage it as long as you can.

Spot the non-gamer! Grin
All depends on what game you pick OP. Something like Apex or Fortnite is just fluff imo - and there's nothing wrong with fluff really - but there are fantastic works of art out there in gaming.

Would he read a series like Discworld maybe? Or any series really but that was first to mind. Very low pressure, might give him a purpose and it's something to discuss.

Think this time of year is especially hard as there's so much talk about resolutions and New Year, New Me statements floating around.

Poppingnostopping · 03/01/2021 00:08

This really sounds like one of mine at exactly the same age. Lots of interests, but lacking the drive to necessarily put in the long hours of practice or the long hours of homework to get the high grades.

I think this is something they have to work through themselves! It sounds like you facilitate him in his interests in chess, history, cycling, lots of things. He's going to have to come to terms with the fact he probably isn't going to make the Olympic team any time soon, and that that is absolutely fine and normal. He's also going to have to come to terms with the fact that some people are naturally more talented or try so much harder to the point they become high achievers, again, he has to realise this is their choice. He could chose to spend every waking hour on one hobby to the exclusion of others and become much better, but it's also ok not to do that, to do it for fun, just for itself and not because you are going to get some award as a result. It is unfair some people try really hard and get 5's at school, or 2's (or nothing!) and others try just a bit and get 8's, but all you can do is maximise your own talent and do things that interest you and that's his task- to learn this.

Ultimately this is about maturity and he will work through it, you can't fix it by making him study more, or do more chess or find more hobbies, because he's getting to that age where the drive, that inner thing that pushes you on, has to come from within. Support him yes, buy him the kit, yes, but you really can't manufacture this after a certain age.

It's also a pandemic and so that opportunity to grow, make new friends, try new hobbies is absolutely suffocated, I see it with my own teenagers and it's pretty frustrating all round. Mum hugs, lots of sympathetic noises and know that he will work this out himself eventually.

BlankTimes · 03/01/2021 00:09

Something outdoorsy but within tier 4 limits ?

How about Nature Photography. These days it's so easy with a phone and editing.

Sunrise and sunsets - nice and easy at this time of year.
Ditto moonrises and sets.
How many insects and birds can he find in the garden in an hour?
How many different textures can he photograph in the garden in an hour?
Clouds, look at the Cloud Appreciation Society website and see how many you can spot from your garden in a month.
Document the seasons.

SionnachRua · 03/01/2021 00:09

Raspberry Pi might be a possibility too. Even playing some simple coding challenges like LightBot etc may spark an interest for him.

BillMasheen · 03/01/2021 00:10

One thing I think is worth saying is, there is nothing wrong with being a hobby dabbler.

I am. It drives my husband nuts, but I love the challenge of learning something new, but have no interest in taking things further once I have learned how to do it. I have taken a few things to a high level (regional championship level in a sport etc. ) and actually in general I don’t think it’s worth the extra effort.

I don’t see my dabbling as a bad thing. I have LOADS of skills, and it is massively useful socially. A mate is into horses, yep, I can take one along for a spin. I can ride a motorcycle, ski, sail, windsurf, skateboard, snowboard, ice skate etc. well enough to tag along with experienced hobbyists and have a nice time. I can also paint, shoot, knit, play chess and crochet competently enough if I fancy.

Some things, like cycling, running and some musical instruments I do come back round to every couple of years and get a bit better each time. And quite often with a new hobby I make some new friends, who I keep after I’ve moved on to other stuff which is brilliant.

I think my point is, please reassure him it’s OK to never find an all consuming passion or talent. Be a Renaissance person, do loads of stuff. That’s fine. In fact it’s (i think) better. More fun. Become a more rounded person.

Im really glad that I found out my talent in a particular sport when I was a young adult. And I WAS exceptionally good. I pushed it for 5 years, did incredibly well and then gave up as job done having taken it as far as I wanted without a qualm. I’d hate to think how I’d have felt if I’d been a kid and had a pushy parent agitating for me to carry on. (Which I did see a lot of)

Hailtomyteeth · 03/01/2021 00:10

It's not about hobbies or skills, it's about his inner self. Mindfulness. A Big Life Journal. Anything to build up his resilience. The rest will follow.

Pbbananabagel · 03/01/2021 00:11

I would recommend looking up some talks/books on ‘Growth Mindset’ from Brene Brown. It really makes sense when you look at how having a closed mindset vs a growth mindset affects your outlook on life and your ability to persevere when learning new skills or getting involved in new experiences gets tougher. How you describe a lot of academic things coming easily to your son and then him quitting when something is not as easy really resonates with me as I was definitely that kid.
I had to do a lot of research into mindsets and goal setting etc for a piece of work I was doing for staff training in a large organisation and it has had a huge impact on how I am now choosing to parent my kids years later. Hope it helps you and your son too

ChloeCrocodile · 03/01/2021 00:11

I never had hobbies as a teen, though it didn’t bother me. The school sound decidedly unhelpful tbh. Healthy competition is one thing, but turning everything in to ranking and head-to-head is deeply unhealthy imo. I’d encourage him to take a step back, and I’d push the opposite message - that his spare time should be for stuff he enjoys and it doesn’t matter if you spend it doing something you’re crap at.

SunscreenCentral · 03/01/2021 00:12

How about cooking? My 13yo has gotten quite into it of late and has produced some very nice things. Not all mind. The olive mash was dire and he did terrible things to some lovely sea bass, but overall, he’s surprised us.. he likes looking up recipes and giving things a go.

Great lifeskill to have too obvs.

Gentianpurple · 03/01/2021 00:14

Archivist in the making.
Has he discovered the National Archives website yet? It’s a great website for history fans. There’s loads of history podcasts that would be perfectly suitable for a 13 year old too.
Can he set himself some history challenges - online learn to read Secretary hand? Or do some authentic Victorian cooking? Learn a Medieval Musical instrument?
I remember having a fun time making real wax seals and faking old documents and making a Tudor boned bodice...

Cantbelievelife · 03/01/2021 00:14

Second the walking. App like strava could help with it. Maybe as a family you could reduce screen time and increase outdoor activity. Regatta actually have a sale atm with costs drastically reduced like less than £20. My partner and I are aiming for 90000 steps per week and reducing screen time

katy1213 · 03/01/2021 00:14

He's 13 - not every minute of every day has to be filled with constructive activity. It sounds like he has plenty of interests and is just a bit bored right now, like we all are.
I'm sure kids would be better for a bit of benign neglect, rather than all this intense parental involvement.

Elephant4 · 03/01/2021 00:15

My 13 year old was sobbing in my arms yesterday too! He was upset and irrational, I felt, about something different - but it’s unusual for him to cry.

I felt pretty sure it was really connected to them just finding out that schools arevclosed again. My DS was looking forward to seeing his friends. This is really hard for them, I think.

Thefeep · 03/01/2021 00:16

I have a son the same age. He started boxing last year. He didn’t love it to start with and wanted to stop many times but we pushed fir him to keep going. It’s great exercise and pretty much the only exercise he’s getting at the moment. He enjoys it more now. We’ve had no limits in screen time over Xmas. He’s still chatting away at gone midnight 🙄

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