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To hate smacking?

196 replies

Calmorfirm · 22/12/2020 20:52

I hate the idea if smacking children
My parents did it to me and my siblings and I hated it and my partner does it to our children and I hate it when it happens
It seems like the person who is doing it has lost control...is it ok for parents to still smack their kids these days?

OP posts:
berrygirlie · 23/12/2020 15:43

Shame she didn't open her mouth back then because my respect for her is nearly as low as it is for the scumbag that hit me.

Me too. When you condone and minimise abuse, you yourself are complicit. It's hard to maintain a relationship built on that knowledge.

PeppermintSoda · 23/12/2020 15:46

Agree. I didn't judge my dad for not protecting me from my mum as a child but I sure as hell do as an adult now ive had my own kids

berrygirlie · 23/12/2020 15:55

I don't have kids, but I know that as soon as I do, that door to reuniting with my family will be closed. Because even now, I know I could never do what was done to me. The opportunity for minimising and forgiving will be gone - that's terrifying.

OP, never let your child feel this way. You need to tell him to nip this in the bud instantly and if he refuses, you have a duty of care to protect your children. No child deserves to be hit.

Jimdandy · 23/12/2020 15:56

@covidaintacrime it is only your opinion that it is “morally wrong” it’s an opinion it doesn’t mean you’re right because you have decided that you are!

And your point doesn’t hold any water anyway. I don’t think it’s null and void to state that if it’s done as a wider part of being a good parent overall. You can not smack but then be an awful parent in other ways that I feel are more harmful.

But as we disagree on the fundamental issue we’re clearly never going to agree Grin

covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 16:04

it is only your opinion that it is “morally wrong” it’s an opinion it doesn’t mean you’re right because you have decided that you are!

In total 57 states have made it illegal, including Scotland (and Wales in 2022). I imagine other countries in the UK will follow suit shortly.

These countries have clearly decided it's morally wrong. You can consider it "my opinion" all you'd like, but another of my opinions is that you're standing on the wrong side of history.

MiniTheMinx · 23/12/2020 16:10

@covidaintacrime

It's simply not a parenting choice that tends to come about as a result of introspection, deep thought, self control and a holistic understanding of parenting.

Yes, exactly. I've never met a person who hits their children that values their children's intentions and personal growth more than they value being seen as an authoritarian figure. It's just an abuse of power - taking out your frustration on those who can't fight back.

Yes to all of this.

Children need to develop their ability to use reason and critical thinking to form their own moral judgments. They deserve the time and patience of adults to help them develop their thinking, and to find their place in social life. Children and people have a strong desire to be accepted, respected and valued. They do not come into this world with the knowledge or skills to know what is and what isn't permitted behaviour but if they are given the right direction they form moral reasoning. This is more important than blindly following rules and conventions. When adults have been brought up to follow blindly rules and conventions they are often those apt to break the rules because they want to. They do not have the reason or rational thinking to even explain themselves. And its these people who lack this ability who don't want to, or simply can't instill critical thinking and reasoning into their children. Its proven by the parent who smacks simply because they can, but can't find the moral justification for it apart from "i can smack you because I have the power to do so" You also have the power not to but choose to anyway.

Covid is a brilliant example of what happens when everyone tries to follow the rules until either those rules infringe upon them to the extent it prevents them doing something they want to, or when the moral reasoning or logic behind the rule is unclear, misunderstood or simply missing. Rather than question it, people just break the rules. They even accept that punishment may happen, so they hide their rule breaking.......criminals do this all the time! they know the law, but choose to break it because they fail to fully assimilate the moral reasoning into their own moral framework. Knowing and understanding are very different things. Knowing something is a poor substitute for understanding.

Bringing up children is difficult. Of course they test boundaries, they do this because they are curious to see the logic behind them, to see whether the boundaries are inconsistent, its like testing a hypothesis. What happens if I do this? Will the result always be the same? and when it isn't, and a void where understanding or explanation should be then I get to make up the rules. Then they repeat the wrong thing over and again because they have never developed the thinking that might lead to better moral judgments.

Children don't need punishment, they need patience and perseverance and parents they fully trust without fear.

I work with traumatised children. It is never necessary for children to be afraid of those they should trust.

WomenAndVulvas · 23/12/2020 16:40

I was hit as a child, not often but very hard. I don't know if it's done me any harm, who knows what I would be like if I hadn't been hit.
I think physical punishment is stupid, above all - there is no point in a "tap on the hand/bum" if it's not painful. Parents who say they "smack" but without causing pain are kidding themselves: it either hurts and therefore works as a deterrent, or it doesn't hurt and they might as well use a different form of discipline.
The whole point of hitting children is the element of pain and humiliation, otherwise it wouldn't work. And it definitely does work most of the time, I wouldn't have dared do some of the things my kids do. I still don't hit them because the thought of having to hurt them makes me feel sick.

thesebootsaremadeforawalking · 23/12/2020 16:53

meanwhile, in the real world, it's not about abusing your children and banning critical thinking and personality Hmm Does anyone believe any of that crap.

parents who discipline their children when needed tend to have a lot more rounded, happy and successful children, which is probably why insults are being thrown so much.

Children don't need punishment
sums it up really. We have all met one of these little darlings who could do no wrong in the eyes of their parents.

To be so prickly you must be REALLY insecure about your own parenting skills.

covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 16:54

meanwhile, in the real world, it's not about abusing your children and banning critical thinking and personality hmm Does anyone believe any of that crap.

Ahh yes, that crap ... not physically hurting your children! Wowee, we really are brainwashed Hmm

donnager · 23/12/2020 16:56

I smacked my little brother on the face once. He was about 8 and I was 14. My little brother was never ever smacked but he was a bit of a brat back then. He threw my mums hard book across the room and the sharp edge hit the top of my nose between my eyes and I still have a bump from the impact. I got up crying and ran towards him and slapped him so hard he had marks on his face for hours on his cheeks. From then onwards, he never dared or attempted to touch anyone. My mum said nothing and took all of his privileges and he was grounded for a few weeks. I don't like the idea of smacking but just once is ok to give a shock to the system if the child is like my brother. That book could have blinded me or caused a worse injury, 8 years old is old enough to know better and it is not ok from to injure people. Smacking isn't ok especially if it's done frequently 1) the child has long lasting psychological damages and 2) the child gets used to it and finds it non threatening after all, they are resilient. That's why I've never ever smacked my child but if he ever dares to hurt or injure someone or does something that is unforgivable, I may as a last resort.

TicTacTwo · 23/12/2020 17:19

Yanbu but there are exceptions to the rule.

I wouldn't judge a parent who uses restraint or physically pushes their child away when they start hitting and kicking. I'd categorise that as self defence.

I've personally had occasions when my tantrumming toddler had to be picked up and moved as they were in a dangerous place like the middle of the road and they hurt themselves when they hurled themselves out of my arms because they were angry. That's an accident,

covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 17:22

That's not you smacking them though is it TicTacTwo? Moving your children or not letting them hit you isn't the same as hitting them.

TicTacTwo · 23/12/2020 17:29

Children don't need punishment, they need patience and perseverance and parents they fully trust without fear.

Totally disagree with this one.
Sometimes children do nasty things and need punishing. What they need is forgiving when they screw up and perseverance/help getting back on the right track if they keep on making the same mistake.
Discipline allows children to form relationships with others which in turn leads to happiness and fulfillment. Not disciplining can only lead to frustration when others are not the doormats that the parents are.

(Of course the path for traumatized children is very different)

TicTacTwo · 23/12/2020 17:31

@covidaintacrime

That's not you smacking them though is it TicTacTwo? Moving your children or not letting them hit you isn't the same as hitting them.
It's not smacking but I've felt really crap when things become "physical "
roarfeckingroarr · 23/12/2020 17:33

Why do you let your partner abuse your children?

thesebootsaremadeforawalking · 23/12/2020 17:37

@roarfeckingroarr

Why do you let your partner abuse your children?
why do you talk about abuse when the OP is talking about smacking?
covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 17:38

It's not smacking but I've felt really crap when things become physical

It's OK to use reasonable force to avoid letting anyone get hurt. That would mean carefully removing your child from a road, or putting your arms up so your child couldn't hit you in the face (as examples). But the reasonable part is very important, and it's not reasonable to hit children.

covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 17:39

why do you talk about abuse when the OP is talking about smacking?

Maybe they live in a country where smacking is abuse? (hopefully a stance all countries will take soon). Don't be goady.

thesebootsaremadeforawalking · 23/12/2020 17:41

Again, I have had a few smacks, so did my sisters, my brother, my friends, cousins, my husband...

None of us was "abused", "beaten up", resentful, angry, we all seem to manage pretty well and have healthy relationships with each other. We learned about boundaries and respect, big deal.

It does not help to pretend you can't see the difference between normal discipline and abuse.

YOU might make very different choices, but becoming vicious and insulting towards others? How is that helping your narrative?

Trying to portray someone stricter than you as an abusive and perv tyrant is disgraceful.

thesebootsaremadeforawalking · 23/12/2020 17:42

@covidaintacrime

why do you talk about abuse when the OP is talking about smacking?

Maybe they live in a country where smacking is abuse? (hopefully a stance all countries will take soon). Don't be goady.

Of all the posters you think I am the goady one? really?
covidaintacrime · 23/12/2020 17:46

None of us was abused, beaten up, resentful, angry, we all seem to manage pretty well and have healthy relationships with each other. We learned about boundaries and respect, big deal.

Great, and I can tell you that I was traumatised by being smacked, as were my siblings, as were my friends (probably as was my partner, though I'd have to ask him more specifically). There are people who can escape abusive situations without being traumatised, but it doesn't mean those situations were not abusive - and the world is moving towards the direction of hitting children being abuse.

grey12 · 23/12/2020 17:51

I have smacked my kids but only in possibly life/death/serious injury situations. I found that at about 1.5 to 2yo no other punishment/conversation would work.

DD1 used to constantly push her younger sister. The amount of times that child banged her head on the floor....... it could have been on the edge of a door!! Nothing worked to teach her to stop it......

IdaKnow · 23/12/2020 17:58

Smacking is not ok. How old are your children?

MerchantOfVenom · 23/12/2020 18:02

We were smacked as kids and while I wasn’t traumatised by it because it happened in an otherwise loving parental relationship, times have moved on, and I would never smack my kids.

Have never smacked them. And they’re 12 and 10, so I think if I haven’t by now, I probably won’t. Mainly because I really, really do not want to. Thankfully DH and I are fully on the same page.

Out of interest, to those who do smack. Why do you want to hit your kids?

You must want to, because if you didn’t want to, you wouldn’t do it.

Do you think it’s the most effective means of correcting behaviour? Presumably, if you smack once, and it’s so effective, you don’t actually need to smack again? Or do you?

thesebootsaremadeforawalking · 23/12/2020 18:06

Great, and I can tell you that I was traumatised by being smacked, as were my siblings, as were my friends (probably as was my partner, though I'd have to ask him more specifically). There are people who can escape abusive situations without being traumatised, but it doesn't mean those situations were not abusive - and the world is moving towards the direction of hitting children being abuse.

I am sorry you were in an abusive situation, it has however nothing to do with other parents going for a stricter style of parenting. Smacking your children in the right context is not abuse in any way shape or form.
If things are that bad that you end up traumatised, it's due to a hell of lot more than an occasional smacked bum!

Let's not pretend that some parents have a daily routine round of smack for the fun of it like some posters pretend they do.