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Original poster

Can a tier 4 family stay with tier 2 DM?

194 replies

ConfusedatChristmasTier4 · 19/12/2020 21:18

Help please! Is there a lawyer in the house?

We’ve read the government guidance and have ascertained that we can visit my DM, because we’re in her support bubble, but can we stay overnight? It doesn’t seem to be clear.

YABU = no
YANBU = yes

OP posts:
1Morewineplease · 19/12/2020 21:21

No

CoffeePhoenix · 19/12/2020 21:24

Tier 4 residents are not to travel or go in someone else's home

debbs77 · 19/12/2020 21:26

No overnight but you can visit each other depending on your criteria for the support bubble

Can a tier 4 family stay with tier 2 DM?
Original poster
ConfusedatChristmasTier4 · 19/12/2020 21:27

The guidance says tier 4 residents definitely can travel out of their area to visit someone in their support bubble. We are struggling to interpret the part saying whether they can stay overnight or not.

OP posts:
ViciousJackdaw · 19/12/2020 21:33

From www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

You cannot leave home for holidays or stays overnight away from your main home unless permitted by law. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with

No can do, sorry.

GertiMJN · 19/12/2020 21:33

What do you mean by " we're in her support bubble"?

If your family and your DM have formed support bubble (e.g. because she is a lone adult.) Then you are counted as a single household. So can stay.

bubblebubblebubbletrouble · 19/12/2020 21:35

I think you can coz it says you are not allowed to stay with anyone not in your support bubble.

trollopolis · 19/12/2020 21:38

Assuming the bubble is your DMum (single person, or sole adult in the household) plus your household, then yes you can function as one household including overnight stays.

Also wondering what you mean by 'in' her support bubble - as it implies there are others. In which case you probably need to have her review and reform her (one) permitted bubble. You're not allowed to chop and change

RainRainRainAgain · 19/12/2020 21:39

If you are in a support bubble then you can leave tier 4 to visit, and as a support bubble you are essentially one household so you can stay overnight. Government didn't release Tier 4 guidance for a couple of hours after the press conference which didn't help, but Tier 4 guidance is now on there.

Coffeeandcrumpet · 19/12/2020 21:39

How exactly are you in a support bubble if you would have to travel to her?

nosswith · 19/12/2020 21:40

No overnight stays. I will report to the police if Boris Johnson goes to Chequers.

Butterymuffin · 19/12/2020 21:42

I think it's a no. And the longer you're there, the higher the risk of giving it to her and spreading it in her Tier 2 area. Sorry.

PointyDragonPokingThing · 19/12/2020 21:42

Does anyone know if this covers crossing LAs in Scotland? We are an extended household with anothet adult who lives alone but in a different LA. At present one tier 2 and one tier 3 but both will be tier 4 from the 26th.

Derelictwreck · 19/12/2020 21:43

@Coffeeandcrumpet

How exactly are you in a support bubble if you would have to travel to her?
Why has everyone decided that support bubbles have to live next door to you??
Derelictwreck · 19/12/2020 21:43

Yes OP you are allowed to do this. Support bubbles are exempt.

Dragonglass · 19/12/2020 21:46

Even those in support bubbles are not allowed to stay overnight.

From gov.uk:

'You cannot leave home for holidays or stays overnight away from your main home unless permitted by law. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.'

LilacSloth · 19/12/2020 21:48

Staying away from home overnight

You cannot leave home for holidays or stays overnight away from your main home unless permitted by law. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

CeeceeBloomingdale · 19/12/2020 21:48

@GertiMJN

What do you mean by " we're in her support bubble"?

If your family and your DM have formed support bubble (e.g. because she is a lone adult.) Then you are counted as a single household. So can stay.

This
QuestionableDanceMoves · 19/12/2020 21:48

The rules on support bubbles (for lone adults/ single parents) is that you pick one other household to form a bubble with, exclusively.
That bubble is then allowed to stay overnight with each other as they are considered as one household. This supersedes all “Christmas bubble” and tier rules

So, yes, as long as you are her sole bubble then you can go to your DMs

limpolo · 19/12/2020 21:51

The whole reason we are in tier 4 is to prevent the spread of the new strain spreading outside of the tier 4 area. If you travel out of tier 4 you are potentially spreading Covid into those areas.
As per guidance....
This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

Suzi888 · 19/12/2020 21:51

It’s very unlikely you are going to be arrested OP.
At the most you might get a £60 fine. If you’ve isolated for the required time, see your DM she’s a single person household, possibly vulnerable, support bubble etc
Just go.

Support bubbles are exempt.

CeeceeBloomingdale · 19/12/2020 21:52

@Dragonglass

Even those in support bubbles are not allowed to stay overnight.

From gov.uk:

'You cannot leave home for holidays or stays overnight away from your main home unless permitted by law. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.'

It is saying you can't stay with anyone OTHER than your household or support bubble. This means you CAN stay overnight with your household and your support bubble.
limpolo · 19/12/2020 21:52

They are not exempt though

LilacSloth · 19/12/2020 21:53

My understanding is yes, you can stay. You are one household whether in tier 4 or not.

limpolo · 19/12/2020 21:54

It say you cannot stay overnight with people you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.