Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072846-He-can-thcream-and-thcream-until-he-s-sick-but-the-US-has-taken-its-future-back-Trump-thread-112?watched=1&msgid=101645744#101645744

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Trump doesn't have unending choices heremany reputable firms are refusing to collaborate with him. I'm not claiming that those who continue to work with him aren't reputableJones Day, for instance, is well-established--but merely that his choices are slim.

All grist to the "they're all against me" narrative.

I'm mildly surprised that the Trumpster hasn't resorted to unpleasant racial and ethnic slurs yet. I guess there's still time.

I'm in two minds about media coverage of Trump's malarkey.
At best, maybe not report his press conferences live but cover the salient points/major bullshit while fact checking.
But I do worry that the mainstream press are going so far to ignore his more inflammatory stuff rather than rebut it.
If your only source for the "truth" about this election is Trump's twitter and his pet networks, of course you will be convinced there has been massive voter fraud. I have tried to get more info on certain complaints and can't find anything from a news source I would trust.

Meanwhile .... Covid still rages and

Senator Murphy tweet:
Just off a conference call with Trump Administration vaccine distribution team. They confirmed that they have not briefed anyone on President-elect Biden's team and have no plans to do so.

This is potentially catastrophic.

twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1329454313895321604

PerkingFaintly
This might be important, but it's not an area I understand at all. Some of the replies are interesting.

It amounts to "Forget your usual job and boss, the orders come from me. And don't report to them either, report directly to me."

This is never good news, but particularly not in Defence.

How will the rest of the world deal with a Trump-stolen election, I wonder ?

Well, when I say that, I mean China, really.

It sounds harsh, but the globe survived one US civil war. I wonder how well it would fare in a second ? (I also wonder how to profit from it, even though I'm not American ...)

They seem to be ripping up the rule book on how to govern

@BruceAndNosh

They seem to be ripping up the rule book on how to govern

I thought Nixon did that ?

There most definitely is a white-wash at the white-house.

[quote DuncinToffee]John Kruzel @johnkruzel

BREAKING: The Trump campaign just told a federal judge in MICHIGAN that because the Wayne Co board of canvassers have "declined to certify the results of the presidential election" it will no longer press a lawsuit seeking a judicial order blocking certification

Raffi Melkonian @RMFifthCircuit

Non-lawyer followers: this litigation (in all the states) is truly blowing my mind. It's as if you're playing chess and your opponent lets off a whoopie cushion, throws a Zebra Cake on the board, and then runs off without pants and says they won. I don't know what else to say

twitter.com/rmfifthcircuit/status/1329447806197780484?s=21[/quote]
I admit I'm confused re Michigan.

The GOP canvassers refused to certify. Then they voted to certify (or said they would). Then there are 'affidavits' somewhere that they were coerced. Then radio silence.

So, did they actually certify or just say they would and then took 'backsies'?

@PerkingFaintly

This might be important, but it's not an area I understand at all. Some of the replies are interesting.

twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1329065492980576257

paul mcleary
@paulmcleary
18 Nov
Acting SecDef Chris Miller speaking at Fort Bragg right now: [video]

Miller drops another surprise announcement: Special Operations civilian leaders will report directly to him, as opposed to the traditional chain of command.

I'd say it's never a good thing when anyone connected to the military is told to bypass the chain of command.

I'm not really sure exactly who the ' Spec Ops civilian leaders' are.

My mind says "Erik Prince" at this point.

Across, I am as confused as you are and that's why I posted the 'for non lawyers followers' link.

Further in that thread someone posted
So what we have in this here Michigan federal litigation is the Trump Campaign, facing defeat in court, quitting with a declaration of an out-of-court victory that didn't actually happen

It's just time wasting.

I would say he probably has a wider plan up his sleeve but this is Trump who's middle name may as well be incompetence so I suspect its unlikely. No less worrying though and the refusal to work with the incoming administration on tackling Covid is absolutely unconscionable

@Igotjelly

I would say he probably has a wider plan up his sleeve but this is Trump who's middle name may as well be incompetence so I suspect its unlikely. No less worrying though and the refusal to work with the incoming administration on tackling Covid is absolutely unconscionable

Not to us Brits who have already experienced our own Tory Covid insouciance. In fact it's hard to to imagine Boris and the boys jealousy at how astoundingly well Trump has managed. Not with Covid, obviously. But with keeping his support up.

@DuncinToffee

Across, I am as confused as you are and that's why I posted the 'for non lawyers followers' link.

Further in that thread someone posted
So what we have in this here Michigan federal litigation is the Trump Campaign, facing defeat in court, quitting with a declaration of an out-of-court victory that didn't actually happen

It's just time wasting.

www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/gop-michigan-results-trump/index.html

I think this kind of explains it. The election was certified with the 2 GOP members voting 'aye'. Scrotus called them. Now they want 'backsies'.

From the article:

The two GOP board members on the four-person board sent sworn affidavits to the county's attorney disavowing their previous votes to certify. But given that the deadline for county certification has already passed, it is unclear what legal remedy or legitimate argument these two Republican officials can make to formally rescind their votes and undo the certification.

Democratic Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch said on Thursday that the county certification date of November 17 is a definitive deadline and that board members' votes cannot be changed after the fact. The GOP officials sent their affidavits to the county, but the action stops there. They have not filed any lawsuits to try to force the county to call a new meeting. "There is no further action that can be taken in regards to the certification," Kinloch told CNN.

I think there's an issue in that a collection of votes - an election - is sacrosanct. But any individual vote is worthless* (see also: UK). So finding one vote discrepancy - especially if it has fuck all effect on the outcome - is discounted.

*How much is an unlawfully denied vote compensated by ?

In other news, WI has agreed to a recount in Milwaukee and Dane counties after receiving the $3mil. CNN story is part of a 'live updates' thread so it may be down the list as updates come in.

www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-19-20/h_112a62ba17a328340089edc0f80d2aa1?tab=all

Thanks for that CNN article Across, it explains it quite well

Interesting

The White House will not say whether President Trump plans to participate in this weekend's virtual G20 summit hosted by Saudi Arabia, and Trump's aides have not told the meeting's organizers whether to expect the President to appear, according to an official familiar with the matter.

Trump skipped a pair of Asian summits earlier this month, tasking national security adviser Robert O'Brien with representing him instead. Aides have tentatively planned for him to participate in the APEC summit on Friday, which will also be held virtually.

But it remains unknown whether Trump will appear at the G20, the large gathering of industrialized nations. Trump would be the first US president not to appear at a G20 since the group began holding leaders' summits in 2008

So, did they actually certify or just say they would and then took 'backsies'?

It would be in keeping with being members of GOP who think you settle an election by called "DIBS" on Pennsylvania

Tumbleweed from the posters who were all over threads after Brexit and the election of Tory governments and of Trump, saying "You Remainers/lefties/ don't understand democracy."

I'm actually fine with people who want to shout and remind an incoming administration that they still exist and matter, and shouldn't be ignored wholesale for the next 4 or 5 years. I think that is democracy, and encourages one-nation governments.

Even most of the post-referendum demos were fine by me, because the pro-Brexit referendum result didn't specify a path forward, and it was completely legit to ask for another, more detailed vote on whither now.

All of which was about making a voice heard.

The orangina coupsters are actually refusing to certify votes and refusing to enact the transition. They're not reminding government of its duty, they're breaking democracy.

Turns out certain people don't support democracy at all; they just use it while it's getting them what they want and trash it when it isn't.

@PerkingFaintly

This might be important, but it's not an area I understand at all. Some of the replies are interesting.

twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1329065492980576257

paul mcleary
@paulmcleary
18 Nov
Acting SecDef Chris Miller speaking at Fort Bragg right now: [video]

Miller drops another surprise announcement: Special Operations civilian leaders will report directly to him, as opposed to the traditional chain of command.

I wonder if they've heard the legend of the Green Berets ?

Rudi is now being Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny while Jenna Ellis just nods yes in the background non stop. Kraken lady yet to speak

www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/18/1996618/-Giuliani-botches-Pennsylvania-case-calls-it-vehicle-for-Supreme-Court-to-throw-election-to-Trump

Rudi sweating so profusely that he has what seems to be spray on hair dye running down the side of his face. Should have got make up tips from Donald

That leads nicely into this one

which I find mightily reassuring, though I think the voting by the military overseas seems to have been fairly clear about which side they are not on.