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Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 09:31

Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072846-He-can-thcream-and-thcream-until-he-s-sick-but-the-US-has-taken-its-future-back-Trump-thread-112?watched=1&msgid=101645744#101645744

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Yohoheaveho · 19/11/2020 13:15

All the important people can’t stand her Dad. And all the people who love her Dad are people she wouldn’t be seen dead with
She's cornered
no escape route
rock and a hard place

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/11/2020 13:17

Pro-life.

.@TheJusticeDept is trying to rush through as many federal executions as possible during the “lame-duck” period between now and January 20, 2021. DOJ lawyers have informed federal judges that more execution dates will be announced soon. This shameful killing spree must end.

Attorney General Barr has presided over an unprecedented spree of federal executions this year. He’s got at least three more people lined up for executions during the “lame-duck” period. Why did the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast grant Barr an award for “Christlike behavior”?
twitter.com/helenprejean/status/1329066705503494144?s=21

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AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 13:19

@BruceAndNosh

Good summary of the Trump Campaign process

Jason Aycock
@AlphaJason
·
13h
Replying to
@nycsouthpaw
This is starting to feel like we are moving
--from the "throw things at the wall and see what sticks" phase
--to the "throw things in any direction to see if there are any walls out there" part

That's it in a nutshell, Bruce.

I admit I'm getting 'Transition-gate Fatigue', 'Recount Fatigue', 'Stroppy Toddler Fatigue' or whatever we want to call it. I think the elation over Biden winning is starting to wear off a bit now and DH and I are in "Fuck me Loretta! Why are we hearing about Scrotus AGAIN" territory. DH is back to shouting (metaphorically) "Turn the fucking channel!" whenever the news announcer says "And now in TrumpWorld.....".

I guess we'd hoped that once the election was called that the media would focus on the NEW administration and let Scrotus and his minion's antics sink into oblivion. Silly us!

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 13:26

[quote TheNorthWestPawsage]Pro-life.

.@TheJusticeDept is trying to rush through as many federal executions as possible during the “lame-duck” period between now and January 20, 2021. DOJ lawyers have informed federal judges that more execution dates will be announced soon. This shameful killing spree must end.

Attorney General Barr has presided over an unprecedented spree of federal executions this year. He’s got at least three more people lined up for executions during the “lame-duck” period. Why did the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast grant Barr an award for “Christlike behavior”?
twitter.com/helenprejean/status/1329066705503494144?s=21[/quote]
Proof - if it were needed - that capital punishment is all about politics, not justice. Anyone who support is that is a barbarian pure and simple.

giletrouge · 19/11/2020 13:27

[quote TheNorthWestPawsage]Pro-life.

.@TheJusticeDept is trying to rush through as many federal executions as possible during the “lame-duck” period between now and January 20, 2021. DOJ lawyers have informed federal judges that more execution dates will be announced soon. This shameful killing spree must end.

Attorney General Barr has presided over an unprecedented spree of federal executions this year. He’s got at least three more people lined up for executions during the “lame-duck” period. Why did the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast grant Barr an award for “Christlike behavior”?
twitter.com/helenprejean/status/1329066705503494144?s=21[/quote]
In a vista of horrible behaviour, that is truly horrible beyond belief.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 13:32

In a vista of horrible behaviour, that is truly horrible beyond belief.

Remember how many happy MNetters would support the death penalty.

It's bad enough being wrongly executed anyway. But to be wrongly executed to massage Donald Trumps ego would add grave insult to injury.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 13:34

In a vista of horrible behaviour, that is truly horrible beyond belief.

And we chide China for sending the bill for the bullet to the criminals family ....

AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 13:37

[quote TheNorthWestPawsage]The Orange One just tweeted:
Important News Conference today by lawyers on a very clear and viable path to victory. Pieces are very nicely falling into place. RNC at 12:00 P.M.

That's around the same time Georgia is expected to announce the results of its recount, which election officials say will affirm Biden's win in the state.
twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1329409419973718017?s=21[/quote]
See? This is just what I mean. The media should say "That's nice for you, Donnie" and then not cover it.

To me it's just like when a toddler does a poo in the potty and then demands that everyone in the house come and look at it. Sooner or later the toddler needs to learn that no one wants to look at their shit!

AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 13:39

@TheNorthWestPawsage

I'm not criticizing you for your post, North. Just that the media is going to jump all over televising whatever bullshit 'path to victory' he going to bleat about instead of ignoring him or reporting it in a 15 second/2 line story "More BS from the POTUS" way.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/11/2020 14:28

It seems likely the BBC will mostly ignore it, as they have all the other failed bids for attention over the past few days.

I do hope the tangerine thing in the White House has been made aware that the BBC (to and about whom he has been rude and unpleasant often before) took advantage of the opportunity offered by a new book coming out to interview the author all over their radio channels this morning, and said author was less than flattering about his successor as POTUS when he bothered to mention the creep at all.

I can't start to say how pleasant it was to come to consciousness this morning after a slightly troubled night to the sound of an intelligent man speaking in coherent sentences!

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/11/2020 14:31

Across no worries! And I totally agree with you.

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lionheart · 19/11/2020 14:36

I can't for one second pretend to grasp the political machinations of this move and the consequences but I am interested to see how the Biden presidency will navigate these waters.

www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/world/middleeast/pompeo-bds-golan-heights-west-bank.html

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 14:45

I'm vaguely seeing Trump as HAL - the mad computer from 2001. He's going to have to have his processor core disconnected module by module ...

Daisy, Daisy ...

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 14:48

[quote lionheart]I can't for one second pretend to grasp the political machinations of this move and the consequences but I am interested to see how the Biden presidency will navigate these waters.

www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/world/middleeast/pompeo-bds-golan-heights-west-bank.html[/quote]
If not being a big fan of Israel is anti semitic (it isn't) then that's what I am.

If not being a big fan of is anti (it isn't) then that's what I am.

DuncinToffee · 19/11/2020 14:54

I have never managed to watch that film all the way through.

For those who watched the 'jenius' video clip, here are the guys behind it
twitter.com/waltermasterson/status/1329432773971636228?s=19

It's quite telling that nobody knew it was real or not. I wasn't sure, thought it very well be real.

MoonJelly · 19/11/2020 14:59

It does puzzle me how presumably intelligent people like Giuliani and Jenna Ellis are so willing to go public to support Trump and claim they believe all the rubbish that comes out of his mouth. They must know it's nonsense, they must know that their fellow-lawyers and indeed millions of others totally despise them for it, you would think they would squirm at the thought of standing up in court and embarrassing themselves with such incredibly weak cases. They must also know that Trump will sack them as soon as he decides they've offended him in some way, even if that's another of his little fictions.

People will obviously say that the reason is money, and I guess if someone offered me several million pounds I could swallow my pride. But you can't even rely on that with Trump - he'll renege on any and every debt without a care in the world, and given his existing debts I doubt that he can come up with megabucks at the stroke of a pen. He may well divert campaign funds, but what about when someone comes after you to repay because he had no authority to do that?

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 15:10

It does puzzle me how presumably intelligent people like Giuliani and Jenna Ellis are so willing to go public to support Trump and claim they believe all the rubbish that comes out of his mouth.

For $20,000 a day, I'd believe whatever you told me.

(Also as a lawyer it's worth noting that it's Giuliani job to advocate ...)

MoonJelly · 19/11/2020 15:20

For $20,000 a day, I'd believe whatever you told me.

But I really wouldn't want to rely on Trump paying me. He's massively in debt and he's totally dishonourable.

(Also as a lawyer it's worth noting that it's Giuliani job to advocate ...)

No-one has to take on the job, though. They don't have a cab rank rule in the US (as barristers in the UK do), do they? And if they do take on the job, they can and indeed should refuse to lie and put forward assertions they know to be outright fiction.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 15:28

But I really wouldn't want to rely on Trump paying me

As a lot of commentators advised Wisconsin State officials yesterday: make sure the check clears first ...

No-one has to take on the job, though. They don't have a cab rank rule in the US (as barristers in the UK do), do they?

Well doesn't each state have it's own bar, and rules ? And it's not easy to directly compare UK and US legal practices - do any states have a lawyer/barrister distinction ?

If we start with the fiction there's a "justice" system in eiher country, then it's not going to be improved if defendants can't be represented.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 15:49

Not as out there as it seems. Her madge has hardly been making many friends of late, and can't really get out as much as she used to. Why not solve two problems at once ?

DuncinToffee · 19/11/2020 15:51

John Kruzel @johnkruzel

BREAKING: The Trump campaign just told a federal judge in MICHIGAN that because the Wayne Co board of canvassers have "declined to certify the results of the presidential election" it will no longer press a lawsuit seeking a judicial order blocking certification

Raffi Melkonian @RMFifthCircuit

Non-lawyer followers: this litigation (in all the states) is truly blowing my mind. It's as if you're playing chess and your opponent lets off a whoopie cushion, throws a Zebra Cake on the board, and then runs off without pants and says they won. I don't know what else to say

twitter.com/rmfifthcircuit/status/1329447806197780484?s=21

Nancydrawn · 19/11/2020 16:00

@DGRossetti

But I really wouldn't want to rely on Trump paying me

As a lot of commentators advised Wisconsin State officials yesterday: make sure the check clears first ...

No-one has to take on the job, though. They don't have a cab rank rule in the US (as barristers in the UK do), do they?

Well doesn't each state have it's own bar, and rules ? And it's not easy to directly compare UK and US legal practices - do any states have a lawyer/barrister distinction ?

If we start with the fiction there's a "justice" system in eiher country, then it's not going to be improved if defendants can't be represented.

There's no cab-rank rule for litigation like this. It's entirely up to a firm to decide whether they want to take on this kind of case. (It's more complicated with criminal proceedings, as there is a right to counsel, and how that's apportioned does vary according to state.)

It's also important to remember that most law firms don't want this kind of work. Giuliani joined Bracewell, a major energy lawfirm, as a named partner in 2005. His name was taken off the firm in 2016. Officially, it was amicable, but the timing is clear. (I know nothing inside about this--I just know what I've read.) And this is a Texas-founded, DC-based firm with a heavy GOP presence in its most famous former attorneys and huge numbers of oil-lobbying contacts. So Giuliani is operating really on his own/through his personally directed firm, not through anything more established/with a longer history.

Many of Trump's hired lawfirms quit and refused to continue on with litigation: Porter Wright, Snell & Wilmer. Those that haven't, like Jones Day, are trying to distance themselves, claiming they're representing the GOP not Trump.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Trump doesn't have unending choices heremany reputable firms are refusing to collaborate with him. I'm not claiming that those who continue to work with him aren't reputableJones Day, for instance, is well-established--but merely that his choices are slim.

As for, Jenna Ellis, who quite recently publicly called Trump disgusting and an idiot, her bio at Colorado Christian University*, where she is a fellow, reads in part "As a Christian attorney, Dr. Ellis has endeavored to contribute to the biblical worldview of law, specifically Constitutional law." It's possible that she's made some of the same compromises that other evangelicals have made--deciding that Trump is a flawed vessel for God's will. They like what he does on abortion and "religious freedom" even if they might secretly wince when he says Two Corinthians.

(*I am 98% sure it's the same Jenna Ellis, who is also a Colorado-based attorney and a Christian, but the picture is slightly throwing me, so if I'm wrong, correct me!)

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 16:05

It's also important to remember that most law firms don't want this kind of work.

Yes, I read that a few firms were desperately trying to withdraw as they are also exposed to sanctions for pressing with dodgy cases and putting dodgy evidence before a court (although the cynic in me can't help but feel that's pretty much their sole job).

I say trying as I notice it's up to the court (i.e. Judges) discretion and some judges really don't like being messed around and can refuse a request to withdraw. Which can risk an open court discussion as to why ...

I wonder if juries are allowed to be told of such shenanigans ? After all, hearing that a firm of lawyers has previously withdrawn suggests that either they know the defendant is guilty, or are being asked to lie to the court ....

PerkingFaintly · 19/11/2020 16:06

This might be important, but it's not an area I understand at all. Some of the replies are interesting.

twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1329065492980576257

paul mcleary
@paulmcleary
18 Nov
Acting SecDef Chris Miller speaking at Fort Bragg right now: [video]

Miller drops another surprise announcement: Special Operations civilian leaders will report directly to him, as opposed to the traditional chain of command.