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AIBU or is DH being unreasonable regarding career change

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Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:28

Hi, I’m prepared to be told I am being unreasonable but I was only making a suggestion. DH and I had a massive argument this morning with regards to me suggesting a career change for him. He is a web developer/designer and has been doing it since we got together 4 years ago, when we met he’d lost his job and it took him about 6 months to get another.. he had enough savings to live on during that time. He had been in that job since 2017 until he got let go in June 2020 because his performance had dropped and he hadn’t progressed at all.

He has since got a new job but because he his progression hadn’t moved at his old job he got a new job at the same level he was on but for less money (£4000 less) he was told he would get a pay review in January 2021 when his probationary ended and if he met it he would potentially get the original job adverts salary (more than his last job)

So long story short I said to him this morning why didn’t he train to become a railway signaller like my dad? He could train as he has more qualifications than I do and he could freelance in his spare time if he still loved the web developer role and he blew up at all.

Saying that the only way I’d be happy is if we had more money.. it’s always about the more money. He told me I don’t respect him and that if I liked the money so much why I don’t study to become one like my dad. I told him I’m not smart enough, I don’t have any qualifications.. I earn more than him right now as I work in a good industry.

I only suggested it because my dads hours would work really nicely for the lifestyle he wants, he wants to do his hobby in his spare time (painting figures and playing war games) he also wants to do podcasts, paint other people’s figure for commission work, freelance web design and get married, move to a nicer area and so on and so on... it is a long extensive list which he would have more time to do all that as the job is 3 days on 4 days or 4 days on and 3 days off (I can’t remember what my dad said, he likes to work himself to death so he does a hell of a lot of overtime)

I feel awful for suggesting it now as I was just trying to be helpful as I don’t think the web developer role is working out for him. He has two lost two jobs and he hasn’t gained any progression in nearly 6 years. I feel like I lost a bit of respect for him when he lost that job because he didn’t even tell me he had been put on a warning or anything. He had been supporting me through two terrible pregnancies and one illness that required surgery. He told me his work understood and then during lockdown he had a meeting about it then when I asked him what was going on, he told me everything. He then got a call that afternoon to say he’d been let go. I didn’t know any of this and it made me have to return from maternity early which was stressful because with covid we didn’t have the childcare set up.

Was IBU to suggest it? And was DH being unreasonable for blowing up at me?

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Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:28

I’m sorry it is so long Blush

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Newfornow · 08/11/2020 09:30

He sounds insecure.

milienhaus · 08/11/2020 09:33

I think that you were suggesting too big of a career change tbh - it’s a huge step from his current job. It sounds like he handled the situation a bit badly in not telling you his work was going badly but it also sounds like he was trying to protect you from extra stress (which obviously backfired).

Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:34

He is very insecure. He tells me that he feels not good enough. We are both struggling with low confidence at the moment after a hard 2 years.

I only suggested it because I thought he would benefit from that kind of job where he had more of his own time than I would and he had more qualifications already so it wouldn’t take him as long to do the training. I don’t even have any A levels or anything. He has and he has a degree

I am starting on internal training with my job hoping to build a career from that. It is in housing so that and the fact that right I earn more makes me feel like I don’t want to rock the financial boat even more than he already has done

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Towelwaffle · 08/11/2020 09:35

Have you spoken to him about work, as in, really listened? If he is securing new jobs etc but not lasting in them, there's probably a reason beyond he is lazy or whatever. It's a good field he is in with good prospects, but there's obviously something that isn't working out for him, and it'll probably be the same whatever he does and wherever he goes unless he recognises/acknowledges what it is. I can see why he was a bit put out by randomly suggesting a job he hasn't shown any interest in before rather than supporting him in his current one. I can see why you're frustrated though, has he considered going freelance?

Bluntness100 · 08/11/2020 09:35

So long story short I said to him this morning why didn’t he train to become a railway signaller like my dad

I’m sorry but that made me laugh out loud. I can see why he wasn’t delighted

Did he ask dor your suggestion on a career change for him? Or has he ever suggested he wishes to emulate your father?

Quartz2208 · 08/11/2020 09:36

So he isnt actually putting anything into his job and was let go.

I think suggesting a different job was being unreasonable (particularly as it is your Dad's).

Being concerned that he isnt actually committed to being in a career isnt unreasonable though

ellenpartridge · 08/11/2020 09:40

I do think you are being unreasonable suggesting a completely different job that he's never shown any interest in.

Cocomarine · 08/11/2020 09:42

How the hell does someone with no qualifications working “in housing” earn more than a web developer? 😳
What does “in housing” mean? What do you actually do?

You want him to change to a job that gives him more time off... without even knowing what the core shift pattern is for that job 🤣 Yeah... that wouldn’t go down well with me.

Do railway signalman jobs grow on trees then? If the money and hours are so great, I’d be surprised if the competition wasn’t fierce. It’s a bit of a random choice to push at him!

Honestly, I think YABU for having not one but two children with a man in just 4 years of knowing him - when you clearly haven’t worked out whether each other’s life goals are compatible 🙄

Cocomarine · 08/11/2020 09:43

Also... how do know yet isn’t getting the pay increase that’s on the cards for January 2021?

dontdisturbmenow · 08/11/2020 09:43

The 'like my dad' was condescending. It go.es across as 'my dad managed to earn a good income to support his family, you are not'.

You could have brought the subject up from a different approach and letting him lead the discussion. I'm not surprised he got defensive.

Daydreamsinglorioustechnicolor · 08/11/2020 09:44

My ex was always suggesting I should become a teacher, because I had the qualifications to do the PGCE. Even though I said multiple times I didn't want to, and had no interest in it whatsoever.
He didn't encourage me or make any attempt to understand my chosen career path. He had no faith that I had a plan and the ability to make progress in the field id chosen and thought his idea was better.
It was very annoying.
Years later he is an ex and my plan has come to fruition quite nicely!
I think you should try talking to him again about what his plan and ambitions are in web design. Your suggestion was too out of left field I think and blindsided him and made him feel like you didn't have faith in his own decision making.

Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:44

One of the reasons he got let go from the last role was that he was concentrating on family too much. He loves being around the children. He has even said a couple of times that if this job doesn’t work out he will give up web work and stay at home with the kids...

That is another reason I suggested it (not because my dad does it at all) he sounds and acts exactly like my dad when I was younger. He wants to be there for the little things with our two children and my dad was always around for the school run etc so I thought it might be exactly the right kind of home and work life balance he is looking for.

He could freelance but I worry if he gave up a set job and income than he would start being distracted by his hobby and by being around the kids Sad

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Kcar · 08/11/2020 09:45

Oh god. Op.

WithoutATtrace · 08/11/2020 09:45

Why should he change his job just to please you?

CakeRequired · 08/11/2020 09:47

Are they even recruiting for train staff right now? Wouldn't think they'd be bothering because of lockdown.

You are unreasonable though and do sound money orientated. You maybe aren't explaining yourself well to him, but if he hasn't shown any inclination to change jobs, why are you suggesting it? Why not try and support him on his current career? He needs to find out why he's not progressing in his current role and train himself on that. Web development is mainly about coding so I'm guessing his coding isn't up to scratch. That's the most important part so he should take courses on that. There's loads of free online training platforms.

Nottherealslimshady · 08/11/2020 09:49

I think if it was just because he wasn't earning enough then YABU but it sounds like he's not actually all that good at the field he's chosen and it's not a reliable career if he keeps losing his job. So maybe he does need to look for something different.

Towelwaffle · 08/11/2020 09:50

Looking at the national careers website, it seems now the only way to get the specific qual you require is to work as an apprentice or elsewhere in the rail industry (you can't just complete the qual without working), and pay is a max of £32k with weekly hours being 40+- sounds horrendous.

Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:51

@Cocomarine- I work in housing and have been in the same job for 5 years. They pay well and DH has taken a pay cut for this new job so I now earn more than him. If he gets this pay review in January and they offer him the original advert amount he will be on more than me again.

Also we are married and have been together 4 years but we love each wholeheartedly and we do aspire for the same things. We don’t want flashy holidays etc we just want to sell our house and move to a nicer area and put the children in a good school and have a bit extra money..

We have always wanted the same things I just worry that he is fighting a losing battle with this career choice.

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Kcar · 08/11/2020 09:56

You say in your op he wants to get married and now you say you are married? I’m confused.

Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:56

I honestly didn’t care about the money side. I wanted him to have more of a work life balance. He is wanting to redecorate the house, freelance web design and do commission army painting for his hobby and do his hobby himself and be around the children as much as possible.

He doesn’t have enough time to do it all and I’m worried he is going to burn himself out and I am worried that is what he did at his last job and maybe he doesn’t love it as much anymore but he won’t talk to me. He shuts me out and says his career is progressing fine. He didn’t talk to me about the career problems with the last page and that scares me.

Being kept in the dark again scares me.

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Cocomarine · 08/11/2020 09:57

Are you sure that you have the same outlook? When he tells you that all you care about is more money?
Maybe you do, maybe you don’t... but that’s my point - it takes time to know that. And it’s pretty hard to be sure of something so important, so I think 2 kids in first 4 years of knowing each other puts you at risk of having children with someone who actually doesn’t have the values you thought.
It’s easy to think you’re both aligned on money when you meet, both work full time, and he’s earning a few grand more than you.

Starsky88 · 08/11/2020 09:57

It sounds like he is trying his hardest OP and your pushing him into a completely different career direction. I would blow up too tbf

Cocomarine · 08/11/2020 09:58

@Kcar

You say in your op he wants to get married and now you say you are married? I’m confused.
That confused me too Confused
Logiclady94 · 08/11/2020 09:59

@kcar- we are married he wants to do the whole big wedding thing like book a hall and have the reception etc. We had a small intimate wedding originally. It is something he talks about wanting to do again.

We did enjoy the original day but it wasn’t what we talked about when we first met so I think that is why he wants to do it again.

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