Dear Haters

[Buttonitboris]

Is it just me or are other Mumsnetters being bombarded with ads, on this site, from the Scottish Government entitled 'Dear Haters' followed by we won't stand for transphobia, race hate crimes etc. I am unreasonable in finding it deeply offensive to be addressed as Dear Hater and do Mumsnet HQ feel it appropriate that users are addressed in this way?

Are these ads appearing elsewhere or is this an attempt by the Scottish Government to shut down debate on this site regarding trans/women's rights?

@Quaagars

Agree with the nasty things grow more poisonous if kept underground, it's a hard one because on the other hand if they're kept underground, not given a platform, they're only really all shouting hate at each other and not radicalising / inciting hatred out in the open

Surely the last few years have shown those groups grow when you block them from being heard. When someone has contact with them they only hear one side no counter arguments. People who have any contact are more easily convinced that a "them" is controlling the press for nefarious purposes.

Time and time again we see that officialdom hiding opinions they wish people didn't have does not make those ideas die off. Quite the opposite.

Can you actually go back and read what I'm actually saying?!
You don't seem to be able to distinguish between several different points that have been brought up and that was I answering!

Sorry that was to curious

Surely the last few years have shown those groups grow when you block them from being heard. When someone has contact with them they only hear one side no counter arguments. People who have any contact are more easily convinced that a "them" is controlling the press for nefarious purposes. Time and time again we see that officialdom hiding opinions they wish people didn't have does not make those ideas die off. Quite the opposite.

True
As I said, it's a hard one - whatever you do it's all just a toxic mess

It's like Kafka. If you object to something, you admit your guilt

Exactly.

If people cannot see the issue with this, especially from a government body, I would recommend reading more history of propaganda and control of ideas and free speech.

Then try substituting abortion (aka reproductive rights), collusion (aka failure to snitch on your neighbour), irresponsible parents (aka single parents), secrecy (aka privacy), for the terms you currently agree with.

@Quaagars

Can you actually go back and read what I'm actually saying?! You don't seem to be able to distinguish between several different points that have been brought up and that was I answering!

Odd you can see it when you think someone else is doing it to you but cannot see it when you do it... despite having it pointed out to you!

Maybe reconsider some of the repsonses you gave, some of the points you slightly twisted and the misdirections you applied.

OP asked a specific question. Most pp have answered that specific question. But you persist in bringing in all sorts of other tangential things ... and continue to refuse to engage directly with any question asked of you, yes, you specifically!

It would be a start if instead of putting out puerile ads, the SG actually worked to engage as many people as possible and ensuring that everyone felt listened to and fairly treated.

Given the latest ministerial output I really can't see that happening any time soon! And that they are doing this in the name of inclusion, fairness etc is mind boggling!

And that they are doing this in the name of inclusion, fairness etc is mind boggling!

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

I wonder if it's worth making a complaint to the ASA? Divisive, insulting and inflammatory language. I wonder if it counts as hate speech itself, calling somebody a hater is highly offensive. I wonder if we can see how they have targeted these ads? FOI? If they've targeted them at, say, women, who are protected under the Equality Act, would that count as hate speech? I would so dearly love to see this campaign hoisted by its own petard.

It's like Kafka. If you object to something, you admit your guilt.

Quite.

I think tying the accused up, throwing them in a pond and then killing them if they float was probably quicker, and was based on the same basic idea. I do wonder where Scotland intend to put their ReEducation Gulags. How about stocks where the accused can be put in public spaces and have things thrown at them by the righteously virtue signalling? I'm staggered that hasn't been in a manifesto yet.

I get BMX adverts 😎

If you haven’t watched The Social Dilemma you might find it interesting. It scratches the surface really but always keep your critical thinking head on and ask questions

Define haters
Define transphobic
Define trans (Mermaids can’t)

“Increased surveillance is the price we pay for freedom”.

OK. You can all stop with the White Pyramid of Truth!

I have remembered my place!

I can imagine the circular logic at work
What’s a hater? Well if you have to ask...
Am I a hater? What do YOU think; are you?
How do I know if I’m a hater? Don’t worry, we will tell you

Could you post a screenshot OP?

My message above was deleted for including a link to For women Scotland. I have sent them a link to this thread. They are legally contesting the definition of "woman" in the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018 which they believe is outside the legislative competency of the Scottish Parliament under the Scotland Act 1998 and in contravention of the Scottish Ministers' duties under equality legislation.

I did wonder!

There may have been a similar deletion to a similar organisation a while ago... something on there bothered a someone! Twas a tad inexplicable!

Wait, what? We’re not allowed to link to For Women Scotland? Why not?

@SpeccyLime

If you aren’t transphobic / sexist / racist / ableist etc then it’s not aimed at you, is it?

Not been paying attention, have you?

@GCAcademic

Wait, what? We’re not allowed to link to For Women Scotland? Why not?

I'm trying to find the other thread - FWR Chat somewhere relatively recently!

Yep I've seen two.

Go for it, Arabella. Transparency is important.