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To ask her to go back to sitting in the back of the car?

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Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:42

For the last two years I have been a driver for a disabled lady. I drive her to a day centre which is an hours drive away and collect her at the end of the day which is another hours drive back. She has physical difficulties but no learning difficulties or mental health issues.
Before lockdown/Covid everything was good. She would sit in the front passenger seat next to me, no issues.
However, when we resumed after lockdown (in July) we both agreed to wear masks and went with the government guidelines which was that she would sit in the back of the car, we would both wear face masks and I would drive with the windows open to reduce any infection risk as much as possible. I was and am still very keen to do this as I look after my elderly mum who has Alzheimer’s and a chronic blood cancer which obviously puts her in the vulnerable category.
All seemed ok for a while, we would chat on our journey as before.
However, over the last couple of weeks it had become apparent that she has been very unhappy with me and I couldn’t work out why. She would regularly ignore me where’s previous we had a good relationship. She wouldn’t answer me when I ask her what’s wrong or would snap that she was ok. I tried talking about things as I usually would and ask questions etc but we would often drive in silence which I find very stressful and uncomfortable. She was like a stroppy teen for reasons I couldn’t get to the bottom off. I started worrying she was unwell or unhappy in her life.
Anyhow, a couple of weeks ago I found out the reason for her behaviour. I noticed on her Facebook timeline she had written ‘I STILL have to sit in the back of MY own car whilst my PA drives me’ cue angry face emoji. That afternoon when I picked her up she got in the back of the car and shouted ‘Great another FUCKING journey in the back of this car’. I said that I was sorry she was unhappy but we had agreed to go with the government guidelines and I wanted to ensure we were both protected as much as possible. She then said that she had found out her disabled friend didn’t have to sit in the back of his car with his PA or wear a mask and she didn’t see why she should, I said well that’s their decision but it’s going against the guidelines and I’m trying to adhere to them especially as we are in a tier 2 area. She didn’t talk to me on the journey home that day!
I’ve ignored the fact she swore at me but am quite upset about that as I have always treated her with kindness and respect and would hope for the same.
I stressed all weekend over that as I hate the uncomfortable atmosphere so text her and said that if she really wanted to sit in the front that much then that was up to her as it’s her car. She sent back a smiling thank you emoji!
So last week she sat in the front. She was as happy as Larry and chatty as fuck, like a kid who had gotten her own way!
However now with the new lockdown rules coming into place I’m thinking I jumped the gun a bit. I just didn’t want the uncomfortable silence. Maybe I should have been firmer?
At the moment I need this job as I don’t yet get carers allowance for looking a after my mum.
Should I just suck it up, allow her in the front and hope for the best? I don’t know what to do. Maybe Covid is stressing me out so much that I making too much of this and her sitting in the front isn’t much different from her in the back?

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37weekswithno2 · 02/11/2020 11:45

I think you need to speak to your boss about it. Potentially you could get into trouble for not following guidance as I'm assuming your workplace would expect you to. You also shouldn't have to put up with abuse.

AryaStarkWolf · 02/11/2020 11:46

Oh I wouldn't be happy with that kind of behaviour at all especially the shouting and swearing and I think she's pretty out of order to demand you break the guidelines for a job

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:51

37weekswithno2 unfortunately she is my boss. She pays me via her pip payment.

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Brefugee · 02/11/2020 11:52

This is your job? Get your boss to tell her that she sits in the back and wears a mask with the windows open as per guidelines.

And see if you can get a different client? so you don't have to drive her.

You shouldn't have to put up with being shouted and sworn at and put in danger in your workplace. It's up to your boss to make sure you're safe at work.

Brefugee · 02/11/2020 11:53

ah sorry, just saw your update. As your boss she is under the same obligation to keep you safe at work. And not to swear at you. Can you get a different driving gig and tell her to do one?

Meowza74 · 02/11/2020 11:53

I would have stopped driving her completely after he rude shitty behaviour.

AryaStarkWolf · 02/11/2020 11:53

@Reesewitherknife

37weekswithno2 unfortunately she is my boss. She pays me via her pip payment.
Maybe you should have a sit down with her then instead of just saying you changed your mind and want her to sit in the back. Tell her you didn't like how she spoke to you and you now felt pushed into breaking guidelines when you really are not comfortable with that
Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:54

brefugee she is my boss, I don’t work through an agency, she pays me direct.

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PotteringAlong · 02/11/2020 11:56

She has to provide you with a Covid secure workplace.

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:56

When we were diving last week she said she thought I was going to leave. I think it was her way of apologising but she couldn’t obviously say the actual words! I told her that I didn’t appreciate being sworn at but she said nothing!

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OrigamiOwl · 02/11/2020 12:01

@Reesewitherknife

When we were diving last week she said she thought I was going to leave. I think it was her way of apologising but she couldn’t obviously say the actual words! I told her that I didn’t appreciate being sworn at but she said nothing!
Can you start looking for something else? This isn't an environment I would be happy to work in and I'd be looking for a way out asap.
Mellonsprite · 02/11/2020 12:02

She is very out of order, I would tell her that you need to work within the guidelines from now on and that means masks, sitting in the back etc etc. Say you can’t comment on how someone else works but you need to work within the guidelines.

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 12:02

She lives at home with her parents. Although I am paid by her and my contact is with her I may need to have a word with one of them? I do think that if she has to go back to sitting in the back of the car I may have to put up with her stroppy behaviour. She seems to believe that Covid is all hyped up and said to me last week that she knows no-one with the virus and we are unlikely to pass it onto each other! I find this crass of her especially as she knows I have just lost my mother in law who died as a result of her treatment being put on hold due to the bloody virus.

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Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 12:03

OrigamiOwl I am but as so many are losing jobs it’s getting harder and harder to find work.

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Alternista · 02/11/2020 12:07

Are you still keeping the windows open? If so I would think the two of you sitting next to each other facing forwards with masks in might actually be safer for you than her sitting behind you, in terms of aerosol spray?

Aridane · 02/11/2020 12:14

@Alternista - that’s not really the consensus and the guidance on vehicles for hire

Youandmeareluckytobeus · 02/11/2020 12:15

Man up, tell her she has to sit in the back, you both have to wear masks and have the windows open. Give her the choice of that or nothing. Also tell her that if she makes you feel uncomfortable again with her attitude, that you will have to cease to drive her.

yourestandingonmyneck · 02/11/2020 12:16

I would tell her she sits in the back because a)the guidelines and b) you're not putting your mothers health at risk for her.

Let her strop, put the radio on and ignore. Whilst looking for a new job.

She sounds like a spoilt cow. How old is she?

yourestandingonmyneck · 02/11/2020 12:17

Oh and tell not to dare swear at you like that again or she can find a new driver.

Also, why is she calling you her PA? Are you her PA?

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2020 12:19

I work with disabled adults, but for an employer rather than for them directly. Guidance is very clear - one in the back and masks.

I would have refused to continue to drive her. She is totally out of order and does not have the right to put you at risk because it suits her. As your employer she has a duty of care for your H&M in your workplace.

Do you have a risk assessment in place?

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2020 12:19

H&S not H&M!

AryaStarkWolf · 02/11/2020 12:20

She lives at home with her parents. Although I am paid by her and my contact is with her I may need to have a word with one of them?

If she's an adult and the one who pays you then definitely don't that, it's very patronising and unprofessional imo. (And yes I know she was unprofessional by getting stroppy with you but still)

Comefromaway · 02/11/2020 12:26

Is it her car or your car. Because if it's your car I'd be going one further with a perspex screen a bit like taxis have.

Does she realise she could be liable and any employer liability insurance she might have will not be valid if she goes against covid secure guidelines.

As you've been working there 2 years you have just as much protection as any other employee.

Oxyiz · 02/11/2020 12:26

Yeah you probably shouldn't have caved, but I can see why you did. Shes treating you like shit and obviously doesn't think of herself as an employer as such.

Put her in the back and put a plastic divider up between you for further protection.

DishingOutDone · 02/11/2020 12:29

So she was rude and nasty to you, and it worked out well for her. You've set a precedent for her to bully you from now on.

I think you have to decide what to do here, but if you talk to her again maybe ask one of her parents to be present, or someone from the day centre - just as a witness.

Ultimately of course she can sack you, or you can leave - tough call but as you are employed directly by her I'd say its decision time.