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To ask her to go back to sitting in the back of the car?

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Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:42

For the last two years I have been a driver for a disabled lady. I drive her to a day centre which is an hours drive away and collect her at the end of the day which is another hours drive back. She has physical difficulties but no learning difficulties or mental health issues.
Before lockdown/Covid everything was good. She would sit in the front passenger seat next to me, no issues.
However, when we resumed after lockdown (in July) we both agreed to wear masks and went with the government guidelines which was that she would sit in the back of the car, we would both wear face masks and I would drive with the windows open to reduce any infection risk as much as possible. I was and am still very keen to do this as I look after my elderly mum who has Alzheimer’s and a chronic blood cancer which obviously puts her in the vulnerable category.
All seemed ok for a while, we would chat on our journey as before.
However, over the last couple of weeks it had become apparent that she has been very unhappy with me and I couldn’t work out why. She would regularly ignore me where’s previous we had a good relationship. She wouldn’t answer me when I ask her what’s wrong or would snap that she was ok. I tried talking about things as I usually would and ask questions etc but we would often drive in silence which I find very stressful and uncomfortable. She was like a stroppy teen for reasons I couldn’t get to the bottom off. I started worrying she was unwell or unhappy in her life.
Anyhow, a couple of weeks ago I found out the reason for her behaviour. I noticed on her Facebook timeline she had written ‘I STILL have to sit in the back of MY own car whilst my PA drives me’ cue angry face emoji. That afternoon when I picked her up she got in the back of the car and shouted ‘Great another FUCKING journey in the back of this car’. I said that I was sorry she was unhappy but we had agreed to go with the government guidelines and I wanted to ensure we were both protected as much as possible. She then said that she had found out her disabled friend didn’t have to sit in the back of his car with his PA or wear a mask and she didn’t see why she should, I said well that’s their decision but it’s going against the guidelines and I’m trying to adhere to them especially as we are in a tier 2 area. She didn’t talk to me on the journey home that day!
I’ve ignored the fact she swore at me but am quite upset about that as I have always treated her with kindness and respect and would hope for the same.
I stressed all weekend over that as I hate the uncomfortable atmosphere so text her and said that if she really wanted to sit in the front that much then that was up to her as it’s her car. She sent back a smiling thank you emoji!
So last week she sat in the front. She was as happy as Larry and chatty as fuck, like a kid who had gotten her own way!
However now with the new lockdown rules coming into place I’m thinking I jumped the gun a bit. I just didn’t want the uncomfortable silence. Maybe I should have been firmer?
At the moment I need this job as I don’t yet get carers allowance for looking a after my mum.
Should I just suck it up, allow her in the front and hope for the best? I don’t know what to do. Maybe Covid is stressing me out so much that I making too much of this and her sitting in the front isn’t much different from her in the back?

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Yesmate · 02/11/2020 13:03

She’s a bully. She got her own way and will treat you like shit at every turn. You wouldn’t let someone in a shop swear at you, you wouldn’t let someone in an office or any other setting.
Tell her if she wants to contribute having you drive her then she will need to sit in the back. As for it being uncomfortable, out the radio on and think of the money.

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 13:03

yvanka I don’t intend to but I’m stuck between a rock and hard place as I can’t seem to get through to her. She just harps on about her friend who’s PA doesn’t adhere to the advice from the government.

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Livingtothefull · 02/11/2020 13:07

You don't have to get through to her Op, you just have to tell her the way it's going to be whether or not she agrees....you could explain that the new lockdown has made you think again. She doesn't have to like it.

ExConstance · 02/11/2020 13:09

If she receives direct payments and funds you through these there will be conditions attached to that payment about working conditions for any PA she employs. It might be worth your while to contact Social Services to find out about this. There might even be a leaflet or booklet which they provide that you could have a copy of, which would be useful when you talk to her about this again.

Meuniere · 02/11/2020 13:11

I think she is acting as if she isnt your employers (with all the responsibilities coming with it - such as ensuring the workplave, aka her car, is covid secure) but you were coming from an agency and therefore she is the customer (who is always right, have to bend backwards etc...).

I am wondering what is happening for the other peope going to the centre. Do they ahve the same arrangemnet and sit at the back of the car too? Could you use that as an example of 'best practice'?
I am getting the feeling that telling her about her responsibilities as an employers isnt going to go down well iyswim.

Meuniere · 02/11/2020 13:12

Very good idea @ExConstance.

Its about been able to show her that actually, her friend might doing but most people do . Peer pressure and all that

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 13:17

ExConstance thanks, I’ll look into that.
Meuniere most of the other people at the day centre are local (we live 40 miles away) so are either picked up by the mini bus or brought in by family members. None of the others have a PA.

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VinylDetective · 02/11/2020 13:21

You’re sharing a car with her, ie you’re together in an enclosed space. It makes no odds where she sits.

Crinkle77 · 02/11/2020 13:24

@AryaStarkWolf

She lives at home with her parents. Although I am paid by her and my contact is with her I may need to have a word with one of them?

If she's an adult and the one who pays you then definitely don't that, it's very patronising and unprofessional imo. (And yes I know she was unprofessional by getting stroppy with you but still)

Echo this. It may also be considered a breach of confidentiality/GDPR.
sashh · 02/11/2020 13:28

I think your best bet is to write to her parents, explain the situation and her behaviour.

Is the worst advice ever. And clear discrimination.

OP

Some people are dicks.

Some people are disabled.

Some people are both.

I imagine, as she is living with her parents, she will be babied at home.

Raise it as you would with an HR department. You have a right not to be sworn at. You don't need to be 'kind' you need to be professional. She isn't driving so she needs to be in the back and you both wear masks. What her friend's PA does or doesn't do is not relevant.

Any breach of H and S could make her liable, ask if she has insurance for that?

Marylou2 · 02/11/2020 13:33

You're her carer and yet she's speaking to you in this dreadful way and compromising your personal safety by refusing to comply with government guidance. I'd absolutely have a quiet word with her parents. While she's an adult she's obviously not fully independent and they might be able to intervene or reason with her.

Iwantacookie · 02/11/2020 13:34

OP would your insurance be a good place to ask? So you could say to her sorry I'm not insured for you to sit in the front without a mask

Lockdownhairdontcare · 02/11/2020 13:34

You need to put this in writing.

You will be adhering to government guidelines.
As your employer she has a responsibility for your health and safety.

diplodocusinermine · 02/11/2020 13:40

Is her disability impacted by having to travel in the back of the car? Is it your car or her car? Would it be possible, if it's her car, to get a screen between driver and front passenger seats?

Either way her PA and rude behaviour is unacceptable.

Kit19 · 02/11/2020 13:44

disability rights UK have this advice on their website about employing PA - its quite clear that she's not fulfilling her role as your employer

www.disabilityrightsuk.org/being-control-getting-personal-assistants-pas

however its one thing for you to have rights, another thing to enforce them. I would talk to her and explain she is required to follow the law as your employer and see what she says

but if i were you I'd look for another PA job

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 13:49

It is her car so I am insured through her. I have mentioned the screen but got a firm no. It makes no difference with her disability that she travels in either the back or front of the vehicle, it’s a spacious four door car. I do believe as someone mentioned further up that she probably feels that she has lost some control by sitting in the back and maybe feels like a child. However, during these difficult times I don’t see why that should be overlooked and my possible safety be comprised. Pre Covid I would never have asked her to sit in the back and never did and to my knowledge I have never treated her like a disabled person or babied her. I would ask anyone to sit in the back who isn’t in my own social bubble, disabled or able bodied.

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Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 13:50

Thanks kit19

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AgentJohnson · 02/11/2020 13:53

I think it’s time to have an ‘out of car’ conversation. Given your personal circumstances you have a red line, she doesn’t have to agree with it (and can find someone else) but she should respect it. I personally, would have no time for her stroppy teen act. She’s a supposed adult and her contempt for you and your needs are now obvious, she would have to go some way in convincing you stay.

If she has diffic

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 13:56

AgentJohnson I think that’s why I can’t drop this from my mind. I can’t drop the feeling that she really doesn’t give a shit about my safety as her employee and I think she forgets that’s what I am, her employee not one of her parents who do everything for her. She’s crossed the line a bit.

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positivelynegative · 02/11/2020 13:58

Remind her that the Queen sits in the back - it's the poshest seat of all Grin.

Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 14:06

Haha! I was just thinking that positivelynegative

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Inthemuckheap · 02/11/2020 14:07

She has a duty of care to her employees to keep your place of work as Covid secure however she is funding it. Tell her that she could be sued for not adhering to Government regs.

If she won't sit in the back, refuse to drive her and she'll capitulate. She can manipulate her parents but not her employees. Stand up to her and it'll be fine.

Bxjd · 02/11/2020 14:09

Is it her car or is it the governments car that she gets because of mobility? I think she is rude and I would leave

Dustysilkflowers · 02/11/2020 14:10

I think you have to put your mum first.

If you were a taxi driver no way would you allow stroppy passengers to sit in the front for a quiet life.

I’d be frank with and say ‘ due to on coming restrictions I can’t drive you anymore if you need to sit in the front. I can only do it if your in the back’

I wouldn’t even bring your mother in to it to try and persuade her or your own safety as clearly she doesn’t care about it. The only thing she will care about is if she loses her PA

ChickenyChick · 02/11/2020 14:12

she does not give a shit about you, or your life (caring for vulnerable parent)

She is selfish

If sitting in the back would take a worry of your mind, why not do it? She doesn't because she is only thinking of herself.

I would try to find another job, it is demoralising, working for someone who does not respect you one bit

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